San Mateo

[kaligaran]

This just started. So you might want to see what happens in two years.

I just started the renewal process this year (2014).

[taperxz]

I just started the renewal process this week.

OK, like is said renewal may be fine now but we will see in two years unless someone stops this.

There is only 160 ltc's in the county so its probably not on their priority list at this point which is good for now.

[Paladin]

Just posted this in the Merced thread, but it applies here too since SM is now requiring folks in cities to turn in their CCW apps to the CoP, not the sheriff.

We just won the Lu case against LASO. No more "you have to apply first and get denied before applying w/the SO" illegal requirements anymore!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=545848&page=16

If there is no appeal by LA, [San Mateo] will have to fall in line pretty fast. Even if there is an appeal, not sure a court will stay the trial court's ruling pending the appeal. IOW, things will improve in [San Mateo], just not sure if immediately.

[taperxz]

Just posted this in the Merced thread, but it applies here too since SM is now requiring folks in cities to turn in their CCW apps to the CoP, not the sheriff.

We just won the Lu case against LASO. No more "you have to apply first and get denied before applying w/the SO" illegal requirements anymore!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=545848&page=16

If there is no appeal by LA, [San Mateo] will have to fall in line pretty fast. Even if there is an appeal, not sure a court will stay the trial court's ruling pending the appeal. IOW, things will improve in [San Mateo], just not sure if immediately.

I certainly doubt this will be appealed by LA. They are simply being forced to follow what is already CA law.

[RogueSniper]

When should I start preparing my paperwork with the news from the 9th Circuit?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=893372

[edwardm]

I've been asked this so many times today, that if I had a nickel for each...I'd need a dump truck.

I say "Not yet, perhaps not any time soon."

There could be a petition for rehearing en banc. That would be 11 on the panel, vs. 3 from the decision just handed down. That means more paperwork, more arguments, and more waiting.

I don't do Federal appellate practice, but my reading of FRAP Rule 4, Rule 35 and the Circuit rules leads me to think a petition for rehearing could pop up in the next 14 days (a deadline which can apparently be extended by the court) If I'm mistaken in my read of Rule 4, then it could be as far out as 60 days, or more, before we know if there will be any further action.

I say let this development sink in and see who makes the next move (if any).

When should I start preparing my paperwork with the news from the 9th Circuit?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=893372

[hoffmang]

When should I start preparing my paperwork with the news from the 9th Circuit?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=893372

Ask again in about 14 days. There are reasons the answer may be more favorable.

-Gene

[thedrickel]

F that, I'm going to return the sheriff's favor and send in a new app tomorrow or Monday.

"I wish to acquire a permit to carry a firearm for the lawful purpose of self defense." (Round 2)

I don't think there is going to be an en banc hearing, and I think only an idiot would appeal to the supreme court, they are going to affirm!

[unusedusername]

I don't think there is going to be an en banc hearing, and I think only an idiot would appeal to the supreme court, they are going to affirm!

I agree with you about en banc, however SD has proven themselves to be idiots many times in the past.

Please do post what they say about if they plan to change their policies though. I'm going to ask them the same thing tomorrow.

[dk94044]

Does anyone know if there are range qualification criteria for the CCW in San Mateo County, # yrds, # rds, and/or # points? The SMCO SO website is a jumbled mess of tabs and links that go nowhere.

[edwardm]

Yes, there are criteria. The San Mateo CCW app on calgunsfoundation.org lists them. They mostly seem in line with what I remember from May 2012. Some things are incorrect, however. The SO lets you list more than 1 firearm on your permit, for example. and no one cared that one pistol was owned prior to the registration requirement went into effect (bought prior to the end of FTF transactions) for another applicant. Also, there was no issue with drawing from an OWB holster (i.e. a Serpa).


Staff has changed a bit, and I haven't asked what that means (if anything) in terms of the procedures for qualification. You could always call the Range Master and ask. He might even be OK with setting up a time for you to come by the range and see where the magic happens and how things are set up.

Does anyone know if there are range qualification criteria for the CCW in San Mateo County, # yrds, # rds, and/or # points? The SMCO SO website is a jumbled mess of tabs and links that go nowhere.

[hoffmang]

The range qualification issues are significantly less rigorous in practice and I believe the most handguns on a San Mateo permit are 5 in practice - though there really is no limit beyond the practical of the fact that you must shoot them all and you annoy the nice RSO by keeping him way too late.

Once you're approved for the LTC, the range deputies are very happy to be getting you issued.

-Gene

[RogueSniper]

Does anyone know if there are range qualification criteria for the CCW in San Mateo County, # yrds, # rds, and/or # points? The SMCO SO website is a jumbled mess of tabs and links that go nowhere.

I looked around and found that someone from Sacramento said:

6 rounds, mag change, 6 rounds at 15 yards in 45 seconds
6 rounds, mag change, 6 rounds at 7 yards in 30 seconds
6 rounds, mag change, 6 rounds at 3 yards in 15 seconds

The target is a TQ15 and scored shots must hit inside the larger square. A scored of 31/36 is passing.

And someone from Kern county said:

We had to shoot 15, 12, 10, 7, and 3 yards. 6 shots at each distance. The time went from 30 seconds incrementally* downward as the target came closer. B27 silhouette target, had to hit the center mass gray.

*I'm guessing they mean 6shot/30sec @15yd; 6/25sec @12yd; 6/20sec @10yd; 6/15sec @7yd; and 6/10sec @3yd

When I took my CCW class in Sacramento, back in 1990, we shot at B27 targets. All shots had to stay within the 8-ring.

[gose]

Does anyone know if there are range qualification criteria for the CCW in San Mateo County, # yrds, # rds, and/or # points? The SMCO SO website is a jumbled mess of tabs and links that go nowhere.

The total should be 48, and I think the break down is:
12 rounds @ 3 y, strong hand only
12 @ 7y
12 @ 10y
12 @ 15y

Drawn from concealment. I think a passing score is 80%, but if you cant get 100% on this, you probably shouldnt be carrying....

[unusedusername]

Has anyone been able to get a hold of the CCW person at SMSD since last week?

My phone message has not been returned...