Alameda

[RAD-CDPII]

Alright alright alright?everyone take a breath. I get it. Vinnie, thanks for leading the way so the 2k of us post bruen applicants in ACO got a shot. Noobie, I?m with you that things are inconsistent, and have taken awhile. August 1st app myself and while I know I?m still months, hopefully not years away, still look fwd to checking this thread every couple days to hear/see some of the news being shared- the insight, the pickups, success stories etc.

Us 2A folk need to stick together, not turn on each other right now. Maybe take a break, but don?t give up on this thread. If I?m being honest, I think the process is about to get much longer for those who applied in July and later vs the 10+ months for the bruen applicants, as that?s when the volume of apps really took off. Will be interesting to see their monthly reported pickups to Kostas as I suspect it?s going to fall of a cliff here shortly.

Agree, everyone needs to take it down a notch or two. If you waited a while to apply and got behind a 2K backlog of applicants, good luck it will take a while. I was patient and went through the process and finally got mine, 8 months plus, but I had been waiting for over thirty years, I could live with the additional months. Good luck to all, please try to keep it civil, especially since at least two people have gotten their permits already.

[dugiepts66]

Alright alright alright?everyone take a breath. I get it. Vinnie, thanks for leading the way so the 2k of us post bruen applicants in ACO got a shot. Noobie, I?m with you that things are inconsistent, and have taken awhile. August 1st app myself and while I know I?m still months, hopefully not years away, still look fwd to checking this thread every couple days to hear/see some of the news being shared- the insight, the pickups, success stories etc.

Us 2A folk need to stick together, not turn on each other right now. Maybe take a break, but don?t give up on this thread. If I?m being honest, I think the process is about to get much longer for those who applied in July and later vs the 10+ months for the bruen applicants, as that?s when the volume of apps really took off. Will be interesting to see their monthly reported pickups to Kostas as I suspect it?s going to fall of a cliff here shortly.

[sfo_shooter]

People can do what what want. I am not trying argue with anyone just giving my own perspective. Vinnie may have had success on his own being assertive but in the beginning of the process I initially refused to provide photos of my safe on principle but realized very shortly that standing on principle wasn?t going to end with me getting my license anytime soon so I gave in and complied. I was also asked questions about my home and property and security systems. Thanks to CRPA that nonsense has ended but until just a couple months ago those were the kind of (arguably) unconstitutional hoops you had to jump through. My comments were not meant as an attack on Vinnie or anyone else. I am just presenting my own personal experience. You do you.

It's all about what rights (1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th) you, personally, are comfortable with giving up. Most of these questions had to do with your 4th and 5th Amendments rights (as well as 2nd). When governments infringe on those rights without pushback, then it becomes policy for them. For example, it was the ACSO's policy to ask for the total number and serial #s of all your firearms. If you gave that info to them, then you voluntarily gave up your 4th and 5th Amendments rights to that information.

[SilveradoColt21]

Keep the forum and discussion peaceful guys

[gexpro]

People can do what what want. I am not trying argue with anyone just giving my own perspective. Vinnie may have had success on his own being assertive but in the beginning of the process I initially refused to provide photos of my safe on principle but realized very shortly that standing on principle wasn?t going to end with me getting my license anytime soon so I gave in and complied. I was also asked questions about my home and property and security systems. Thanks to CRPA that nonsense has ended but until just a couple months ago those were the kind of (arguably) unconstitutional hoops you had to jump through. My comments were not meant as an attack on Vinnie or anyone else. I am just presenting my own personal experience. You do you.

well said.. I too was very reluctant in sending in photos of my safe.. quite literally Vinnie told me something along the lines of.. (if you don't send the photo you will risk jeopardizing getting your permit. you choose what's more important to you.).. he was right.. I thought it over and sent the photo.. of the outside of my safe, not opened.

with that being said, I was fully aware of the questions I was going to be asked during the interview and I was OK with answering them.. Hell.. I even went in wearing a business casual suit.. this was serious for me and it is still that important to me.

in the end of the day, we were.. and still are.. in this together.. a lot more good guys with guns are out there now.. its paramount we stick together and stay ontop of things so we can keep things on track and morally do what's right when needed.


FYI - I was one of three plaintiffs onboard with the CPA/Michels litigation.

[Noobie678]

never fails, Vinnie always full of piss and vinegar

People can do what what want. I am not trying argue with anyone just giving my own perspective. Vinnie may have had success on his own being assertive but in the beginning of the process I initially refused to provide photos of my safe on principle but realized very shortly that standing on principle wasn?t going to end with me getting my license anytime soon so I gave in and complied. I was also asked questions about my home and property and security systems. Thanks to CRPA that nonsense has ended but until just a couple months ago those were the kind of (arguably) unconstitutional hoops you had to jump through. My comments were not meant as an attack on Vinnie or anyone else. I am just presenting my own personal experience. You do you.

[gexpro]

never fails, Vinnie always full of piss and vinegar

[Vinnie Boombatz]

And yet when asked why you wanted a permit you gave an answer and didn?t say ?I don?t have to answer that question.?

I already told you what I said to them. Interpret it anyway you want, I really don't give a $***** what you think or how you interpret it.

[Noobie678]

Whatever you say. I stood my ground and stood on principle and got my permit. Jumped through the hoops but didn't bow down and put up with their games. Probably why I got my permit before others who applied at the same time as me.

Also spoke up during my range qual when the officer told us we can only qualify as new applicants with one firearm and told him he was wrong. He called a short break and came back and told us that we could in fact qualify with two weapons as initial applicants. Don't lie on the psych eval, they'll know and figure it out, but you don't have to be a spineless cuck.

And yet when asked why you wanted a permit you gave an answer and didn?t say ?I don?t have to answer that question.?

[Vinnie Boombatz]

If you want your permit, IMHO it's best just to roll with the punches and give them what they ask for and answer honestly every question they ask whether you agree with it or not and whether you think they have a right to ask it or not. You can stand on principle or you can get your permit, your choice. But, you can't have both, at least not yet. I say this as someone who has gone through the process and been issued a permit.

Whatever you say. I stood my ground and stood on principle and got my permit. Jumped through the hoops but didn't bow down and put up with their games. Probably why I got my permit before others who applied at the same time as me.

Also spoke up during my range qual when the officer told us we can only qualify as new applicants with one firearm and told him he was wrong. He called a short break and came back and told us that we could in fact qualify with two weapons as initial applicants. Don't lie on the psych eval, they'll know and figure it out, but you don't have to be a spineless cuck.

[Noobie678]

If you want your permit, IMHO it's best just to roll with the punches and give them what they ask for and answer honestly every question they ask whether you agree with it or not and whether you think they have a right to ask it or not. You can stand on principle or you can get your permit, your choice. But, you can't have both, at least not yet. I say this as someone who has gone through the process and been issued a permit.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Because no person in the decision chain is allowed to ask your reason why you want a CCW per Bruen.

Ah, so you are still assuming they are following the rules? All I told them was it's my constitutional right, nothing more.

[SilveradoColt21]

Because no person in the decision chain is allowed to ask your reason why you want a CCW per Bruen.

True, at least not anymore as we as all know they questioned the hell out of you prior to that.

[sfo_shooter]

You're having a psych eval as part of a CCW permit application and you're wondering why the psychologist asked you why you want to carry? Really?

Because no person in the decision chain is allowed to ask your reason why you want a CCW per Bruen.

[ALCO_CCW]

Awesome, thanks!