San Diego CCW

[baggss]

I notice that both you and the SDCGO video advocate mentioning something about shooting prowess, experience, and/or shooting frequency. There is nothing in the application asking about that nor was it addressed, even tangentially, in my interview. I'm just curious where the information comes from that this information is helpful in improving your approval chances.

I sit possible this wasn't mentioned in your interview because you didn't list anything about this on your application?

[Paladin]

I notice that both you and the SDCGO video advocate mentioning something about shooting prowess, experience, and/or shooting frequency. There is nothing in the application asking about that nor was it addressed, even tangentially, in my interview. I'm just curious where the information comes from that this information is helpful in improving your approval chances.

I was using that as an example of something to use as a Good Cause that sets you apart from the "average" resident and could make you more likely to be a target for attack, not as some sort of qualification due to your "prowess" or "experience." It was just to show that you regularly transport valuables (i.e., guns & ammo), that makes you a target for armed robbery. IOW, if you can't say you're a gold/silver dealer, or jeweler and that makes you a target, you may be able to say you're a regularly shooter who also drives around with several semiauto guns and ammo competing in 3-gun matches and that makes you a target.

It's not "see, I regularly shoot and compete, therefore I'm competent with guns and should be entrusted with a CCW." That's NOT addressing GC, but training. The IA assumes if you've passed the training and pass the range test, you've got sufficient "prowess."

Understand the difference?

[Paladin]

Does anyone know if/when the SDSO will switch to an online CCW application process and not just having the application online which you then download, print out, fill out and mail/drop off?

http://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

IMO, if SDSO doesn't go to an online process very soon, that will become a bottleneck that backs up applications and delays issuing CCWs.

I think once word gets out re. the change by Gore, there's going to be a flood of applicants....

[MajorCaliber]

It's not "see, I regularly shoot and compete, therefore I'm competent with guns and should be entrusted with a CCW." That's NOT addressing GC, but training. The IA assumes if you've passed the training and pass the range test, you've got sufficient "prowess."

Understand the difference?

Oh yes, and I concur that transportation of valuable firearms puts you at higher risk and enhances GC. I guess I was thrown off by your mention of scored targets and trophies.

[MajorCaliber]

IMO, if SDSO doesn't go to an online process very soon, that will become a bottleneck that backs up applications and delays issuing CCWs.

On more than one occasion in the process I was told that the bottleneck in the process is at the end--the committee that meets on an ad hoc basis to make the actual GC determination and approval. If that is the case, unless they are going to streamline that process or devote more time to it, that will set the limit on how many applications can be processed per month, and opening the funnel wider at the beginning won't really accomplish much. If I understand, the state law requires them to decide within 90 days of getting the fingerprint results back, so if they don't improve the final step, in order to comply with the law they will have to begin delaying submittals of fingerprints or delay initial appointments. I believe I read somewhere that Riverside County is backed up close to two years.

[baggss]

If I understand, the state law requires them to decide within 90 days of getting the fingerprint results back, so if they don't improve the final step, in order to comply with the law they will have to begin delaying submittals of fingerprints or delay initial appointments. I believe I read somewhere that Riverside County is backed up close to two years.

PC 26505:

26205.
The licensing authority shall give written notice to the applicant indicating if the license under this article is approved or denied. The licensing authority shall give this notice within 90 days of the initial application for a new license or a license renewal, or 30 days after receipt of the applicant’s criminal background check from the Department of Justice, whichever is later. If the license is denied, the notice shall state which requirement was not satisfied.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=26205.

If they never submit it for a background check, the time period is open ended...

Riversides issues stem from a lack of personnel processing applications and an ongoing budget battle between the Sherriff and the County board. Ventura had a backlog of something like 16 months for a while and I waited 12 months from application to issue. They are now down to a few months processing time.

[MajorCaliber]

Thanks for the clarification Baggss. Do you know if the background check is started as soon as the machine at SDSO is done with your fingerprints, or is it some manual process that is started when the clerk at SDSO decides to submit it through some other process and can hold as long as they want?

[Markinsac]

Thanks for the clarification Baggss. Do you know if the background check is started as soon as the machine at SDSO is done with your fingerprints, or is it some manual process that is started when the clerk at SDSO decides to submit it through some other process and can hold as long as they want?

It goes to CA DOJ, who processes through multiple databases. There have been reports that this workload is done manually, and may not have people assigned full time to it.

[baggss]

It goes to CA DOJ, who processes through multiple databases. There have been reports that this workload is done manually, and may not have people assigned full time to it.

This.

I also don't know if it's "automatic" or if the Sheriffs Dept. has to manually submit it into the queue for processing...

[jaymez619]

I've been out of the loop for some 20 odd years. I would never have thought this much progress would have been made. SD County Gun Owners is hosting a CCW seminar at the GlockStore on 4/3 1800-2000hrs. Has anyone ever attended one of these?

[MajorCaliber]

Yes, it is very valuable if you are planning on applying (originally I wrote "attending") as is the video on the SDCGO website. I highly recommend both.

[marcusrn]

Received hard copy unrestricted LTC from SDSO this AM.
First appt 01/11/18.
Second appt 01/12/18 with app completed and printed and picted, paid $105.
Third appt 04/04/18 brought in training cert and surprised they gave me CCW card in hand. Just under 12 weeks total, paid another $50.51.
I've been reading about OC CCW process the last several years with envy. This was my best experience dealing with staff at SDSO I've had in last 25 yrs. People and times do change. Rank and file cops are gererally pro CCW. At this time our republican Sheriff is pro CCW and I hope it lasts. Lets all get together and love one another. I have had a chip on my shoulder in the past regaurding the Lic Div.I will make it a point to talk courteously about the Sheriff and all staff in future or button my mouth.
I do thank Michael Schwartz and all SDCGO. Everyone support NRA, you're nuts not to join SDCGO and do support Calguns with $ and time as Baggss and Paladen are doing.
Mark Cleary

[MajorCaliber]

Congratulations!!!

It's a shame that getting permission to exercise a constitutional right has to be such a big deal; it should be as common as grabbing lunch, but in reality it is a really big deal. Thanks for going through the process and helping to widen that path for all of us.

[Learning]

When did you get approval to get CCW training? IOW, how long between 2nd interview and approval to proceed to training?

[marcusrn]

Two weeks ago. 10 weeks between #2 and green light to train.