Please, please, please fix this site.

[Preston-CLB]

CG is up and down like a bride's nightgown.

Please fix it before it becomes a ghost town.
-P

[Spyder]

It's been over 3 years that it's been trash, because there were significant problems well before I moved to my new house, which I bought 3 years ago next month.

[MyOdessa]

CG is up and down like a bride's nightgown.

Please fix it before it becomes a ghost town.
-P

meh,

[9Cal_OC]

Add another ‘please’ to your header and it might just happen 😉

[calif 15-22]

Are we still allowed to complain about the site. I fear I will be banned.

I know Corbin Dallas has some info as he was contacted. Not sure what is going on behind the scenes. I sure would be great to get an update, even if the update said "Guys I'm still working on it".

The Silence is what's sad . . .

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Are we still allowed to complain about the site. I fear I will be banned.

I know Corbin Dallas has some info as he was contacted. Not sure what is going on behind the scenes. I sure would be great to get an update, even if the update said "Guys I'm still working on it".

The Silence is what's sad . . .

Complaining is different than offering helpful observations.

Saying 'the silence is what's sad,' while ignoring what is known, is what is actually... irritating.

We've never really known, with any great certainty, what goes on behind the scenes. As we've already talked about, I'd personally rather see things getting done or being addressed than a 'constant' barrage of updates which, in effect, declare... "Nothing new to report, but working on it... Feel better now?"

[calif 15-22]

Trapped your “just keep silent and wait to see” is falling on deaf ears including mine. I respect your commitment sir, I really do and I’m sorry my asking for updates is irritating you sir. You can always choose to just ignore me and my posts.

But there are many other members here and many of us over in the contributor’s lounge, who just want to hear from Kes or whoever is working on the site, what’s happening. I don’t think that is a lot ask, considering many of us have contributed many hours and membership dues over the years making this community what it is/was. I would actually love to hear from anyone actually working on the site to say “Hey Calif-15-22 shut the F up we are working on it”. But I have really only heard from you sir, and your posts.

We are not asking a for daily updates/report. We don’t need or want a full report with timelines. But I think we can all agree a simple post, something, anything would go a long way for some of us.

I did reach out to CD (per the post you referenced) to see if there was anything us non tech members could do. I will continue to post (when the site lets me) and continue to ask other members if they’ve heard anything.

Thanks

[Revoman]

Yes, very frustrating indeed. I'm not going to participate in any finger pointing, only that MANY other forums that have made improvements "behind the scenes" has had nowhere near thi problems that this site has had.
Irritating that many are in the same boat, wanting to be informed, but nada.
At a gun shop a month ago and the statement from the counter guy to a prospective customer was "Yeah, CalGuns is no more, the site doesn't work at all."
That is NOT a good advertisement for this site. But I tend to agree, it IS VERY TOUGH to condone a site that has so many log in issues and timing out.
Terrible, comes to mind.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Trapped your “just keep silent and wait to see” is falling on deaf ears including mine. I respect your commitment sir, I really do and I’m sorry my asking for updates is irritating you sir. You can always choose to just ignore me and my posts.

But there are many other members here and many of us over in the contributor’s lounge, who just want to hear from Kes or whoever is working on the site, what’s happening. I don’t think that is a lot ask, considering many of us have contributed many hours and membership dues over the years making this community what it is/was. I would actually love to hear from anyone actually working on the site to say “Hey Calif-15-22 shut the F up we are working on it”. But I have really only heard from you sir, and your posts.

We are not asking a for daily updates/report. We don’t need or want a full report with timelines. But I think we can all agree a simple post, something, anything would go a long way for some of us.

I did reach out to CD (per the post you referenced) to see if there was anything us non tech members could do. I will continue to post (when the site lets me) and continue to ask other members if they’ve heard anything.

Thanks

Where did I say to 'keep silent?' I said there's a difference between 'complaining' and offering helpful observations. If you want to turn a 'deaf ear' to that, be my guest. Just bear in mind that you're not representative of everyone and those who 'agree' with you aren't the entirety of the membership. We've had any number post their own irritations in regard to such, noting that, with the current state of the site, working with it for what it is, for now, is where it's at... NOT demanding it be what it was or what it could/should be, in whatever time frame YOU feel is appropriate, and 'insisting' that Kestryll give you what you feel is your 'due' attention.

Asking for updates is something we've been through before, ad nauseum. We KNOW Kestryll is working on the site, to whatever degree. As indicated and as you, yourself admit, Corbin Dallas' own thread notes that. In other words, you haven't only heard from me. Instead, what you and others are 'demanding' is that Kestryll address you somewhat 'personally.' It's just like when you say you don't need or want full reports with timelines, but then say that all you want is to hear 'shut the F up, I'm working on it.' Gimme a break. It's not Kestryll's job to pat you and others on the popo or poopoo (take your pick as to how you feel about it) and neither is it your due. For any and all who've actually been paying attention, Kestryll has also noted that the ultimate 'fix' is beyond his technical prowess, meaning, as I posted elsewhere, the best case scenario is that he's looking for information to provide to the individual(s) he's looking to hire to accomplish the 'fix;' which likely includes movement to a different software. Don't know about that? Take some time to look it up.

Remember, we've seen a lot of this from elements who wish something 'different' for the site, especially from the raccoon and his minions. There's been a near constant campaign, from virtually the beginning of this whole episode, demanding Kestryll do this, that this site is going defunct, that we 'deserve' this/that because we paid, etc. That's part of why it's irritating. We know, because others and Kestryll himself have posted what has been going on in his Life, at least insofar as what we, as members, deserve to know. Continually beating the drum that we haven't heard anything isn't just irritating to me. In fact, as I've posted before, I too would like to see more 'regular' updates; but, those updates need to have substance. If you 'regularly' check in and contribute to the site (more on that in a moment), then it's not that difficult to keep up with the news or non-news, such as it is. In fact, for many, if not most, your "shut the F up, I'm working on it" type posts aren't what is sought and actually feed the discontent among some.

The "I contributed money" routine is also irritating. Why? Because it's a VOLUNTARY contribution on the members' part. It gets you the small perk of access to the contributor's lounge. It doesn't entitle you to anything else, including making you something 'special' over other members.

Are the monetary contributions appreciated? I'm sure they are. However, remember, over the years, Kestryll has made it patently clear that he intends to keep his promise of 'free' to be a member of this site and we take him at his word. Along the same vein and in response to what you posted on another thread about liking the idea of access to threads being 'members only,' that's NEVER been what the site has been about, to my knowledge anyway. Remember, this site has been about knowledge. It's been about resistance to inappropriate actions. It's been about being able to 'hang' with supposedly like-minded individuals. It's been a place for entertainment. It's been a lot of things to a lot of different people and that goes to something else.

It's also been made abundantly clear that 'contributions' to the site come in many forms. Monetary donations are just one type of contribution. Membership traffic is a contribution as it is a metric advertisers pay attention to. Clicking on advertiser links is another form of contribution. Meaningful contributions to thread discussions are another type of contribution as it potentially enhances traffic since viewers are seeking information. The list goes on. Also bear in mind that the 'contribute money' schtick is yet another refrain often posted by the raccoon in the context of "why aren't you contributing money, because if you don't, you're less than..."

Want me to 'ignore ' you? Then don't post at the top of the front page (and/or to multiple threads at the top of the front page) with your continued complaining, wishes, etc. You see, the placement speaks more to a desire for individual attention and individual expression than actual 'contribution.' There are other locations, many of them, where such posts are made, by any number of members. Membership longevity, monetary contributions, et al. are no longer the 'bona fides' or 'shibboleths' they once were, particularly as many such individuals have 'jumped ship' and come back to kvetch and complain rather than contribute. You've been a member since 2012. I've been a member since 2018. Yet, as I've noted before, my own 'traffic' to this site stretches back well before actually joining. I won't say exactly how far back. But, to use a common label on this site, I 'lurked' from a time somewhere near your own join date. In other words, as with every group and group activity, there are subgroups which form and those subgroups often have their own agendas.

Don't want to be conflated with such individuals or groups? Then don't do as they do. For now, do like the rest of us. Take what you get and don't 'demand' that you 'need' what you want. As I've said before, if our faith in Kestryll is misplaced, then we'll know and we'll make our own decisions. None of us is exactly happy or content with the current state of affairs and that includes Kestryll if you choose to believe his posts. But, that's the actual key. What YOU choose to see, believe, and how to act. Just bear in mind that your choice then allows for others to make their own choices in that regard.

You wish that I'd choose to ignore you and your posts. I hate to break the bad news to you, but I pretty much do exactly that. Noting that it's actually been DAYS since I responded to one of your posts, I've chosen to provide a 'balance' to posts such as yours. See, it's never been about my demanding 'silence' from others. Instead, I've done what we often talk about in relation to guns. More speech is considered the proper approach to negative speech about guns. The same thing here. If you want to kvetch, complain, et al., then don't expect to be ignored and don't expect silence in return. Expect that someone like me (and others have been doing the same in their own way) will join the conversation, not so much in agreement with you, but as an 'answer' by others with their own 'take' on the accusations, the complaints, and the kvetching; thereby providing 'balance.'

Bear in mind that there are any number of members who contribute posts, EVERY DAY. It's not about 'commitment' to the site or, at least, it's only partially about that. It's about learning to adapt to how things are at the moment and not expect or demand they adapt to us or our preferences. Again, none of us is complacent about how things are. We've just learned to work with "what is" and keep our kvetching to a minimum, not necessarily making it public or a public spectacle.

[calif 15-22]

Yes, very frustrating indeed. I'm not going to participate in any finger pointing, only that MANY other forums that have made improvements "behind the scenes" has had nowhere near thi problems that this site has had.
Irritating that many are in the same boat, wanting to be informed, but nada.
At a gun shop a month ago and the statement from the counter guy to a prospective customer was "Yeah, CalGuns is no more, the site doesn't work at all."
That is NOT a good advertisement for this site. But I tend to agree, it IS VERY TOUGH to condone a site that has so many log in issues and timing out.
Terrible, comes to mind.

I agree.

[alaskascottr]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

I want to thank you. You finally wrote something so long and pointless that it motivated me to add you to my Ignore list. My life is minutely improved. I hope that your life is better as well. Please reply, at length.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

I want to thank you. You finally wrote something so long and pointless that it motivated me to add you to my Ignore list. My life is minutely improved. I hope that your life is better as well. Please reply, at length.

Whatever suits you just tickles me plumb to death.

Oh, you won't see or read that. Too bad. 😏

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Yes, very frustrating indeed. I'm not going to participate in any finger pointing, only that MANY other forums that have made improvements "behind the scenes" has had nowhere near thi problems that this site has had.
Irritating that many are in the same boat, wanting to be informed, but nada.
At a gun shop a month ago and the statement from the counter guy to a prospective customer was "Yeah, CalGuns is no more, the site doesn't work at all."
That is NOT a good advertisement for this site. But I tend to agree, it IS VERY TOUGH to condone a site that has so many log in issues and timing out.
Terrible, comes to mind.

I agree.

I suppose it would 'surprise' you to find that many of us 'agree' (at least up to a point) as well. The difference? We aren't making a public pronouncement of it and 'suggesting' (ahem) what Kestryll NEEDS to do to make us or advertisers or readers happy.

Just like your gun shop counter guy. Many of us would have pointed out what I have. The site actually works. It just doesn't work 24/7/365 at any given member's convenience at the moment. Likewise, we were warned, for years, about just these types of problems emerging should an upgrade occur and we know that the upgrade wasn't made by Kestryll's choice as the host went out-of-business and the new host demanded new software iterations be used. The result? Problems.

So... It wasn't fixed immediately or even in the obligatory many seem to feel it should take at most. We know what Kestryll has been involved with in his personal life and we know that we agree that the site should not simply be handed over to someone else; particularly certain somebodies. (ahem)

If you don't wish to 'condone' this site, that's your choice. Many of us are dealing with it and post EVERY DAY. The difference? We don't demand it adapt to us or our needs or even our desires. We adapt to it, for now. Just rest assured that NONE of us is sitting contentedly back, hoping the site will never be fixed and we have heard from Kestryll in terms of his plans. Want to hear those plans... again? Simply go read them, don't demand he post them... again. Want to know if Kestryll is still around and logging in? Simply check his profile page and note the date of his last activity. (ETA: His last activity was... wait for it... TODAY.)

Many/most of us want to see updates, but we want those updates to have substance, not a simple "F you, I'm working on it." We can live with updates by proxy, such as the one made by Corbin Dallas, until there is something substantive for Kestryll to relay.

The 'terrible look' isn't just the site's technical problems. In some respects, what looks even worse is when members come in and bad mouth the site or Kestryll or both, saying things which aren't technically true, even if they are somewhat 'factual' from their personal perspective of wanting the site to work at their convenience. That's not a good advertisement for the site.

A better look, though not necessarily 'the best,' is what we are attempting to provide despite our own frustrations. What's that? A membership who is loyal enough, not just to Kestryll or the site, but to the 2nd Amendment and how it needs to be discussed, to continue participating DESPITE the technical problems, patient enough to see it through, or loyal enough to 'go down with the ship' rather than simply desire a place to express our opinions. There are plenty of places on the web where one can do the last. There aren't that many sites which allow for the first.

[MyOdessa]

I want to thank you. You finally wrote something so long and pointless that it motivated me to add you to my Ignore list. My life is minutely improved. I hope that your life is better as well. Please reply, at length.

LOL. So true. Trapped is a pontificating fool, he can write page long paragraph stating exactly nothing, while pretending that he is somehow "in the know"

[Revoman]

TrappedinCalifornia

So, you're saying that it's okay that many cannot even open this site. It's not okay. I have tried for two weeks to open without any luck, at varying times of day only to be met with a "Timed Out" message.
If that is your idea of an okay site, then it's simply different from my idea of an okay site.
That is why most users that I run into think that this site is dead, no more CalGuns.
If that is good for you, then by all means stay here.
I am personally tired of trying to gain access (shocked that I have gained access two days in a row!) to enjoy the site but normally cannot.
What is the use of a website if there is no access at a high percentage of the time?
Would you buy from an online site that you could not get to? Yeah, I think not.
It's a shame, this was a really good site before the 'upgrade' occurred. It is nothing short of a frustrating attempt day after day to only be Timed Out constantly.