DROS

[Nguyen]

So, whats up with the 30 dollars DROs fee? Every other FFL is 25... That 5 dollars couldve gotten me Mcdonald's value menu.

[SkyHawk]

Turners charged you $30 for DROS?

Do you have a receipt you can scan and post or take a phone pic and post the pic?

[AK all day]

It's $25 dros and then 5 dollar processing fee (taxable) so it comes out to $30.41.

[LeadFarmer74]

My LGS charges 25 for dros and 10 for a processing fee. So total $35.

[Nguyen]

Damn I guess it's normal then.

[SkyHawk]

Luckily we have other options. Many, many other options.

[gringo m]

You should thank them. They saved you from eating McDonald's.

[ke6guj]

Turners charged you $30 for DROS?

Do you have a receipt you can scan and post or take a phone pic and post the pic?

Turner's did not charge him $30 for DROS. they charged him the $25 in DROS fees, (broke out I believe to $19+1+1+4 for all the different fees) plus a separate $5 dealer fee, which is totally legal for them to do. a little douchey, but that is the way that they have been doing it for years. why don't they just raise the cost of the guns $5 and do away with the $5 fee? perhaps because it make them "look" cheaper to hide that $5 profit in the paperwork fees.

Damn I guess it's normal then.

It's normal for Turners, but not for most dealers that I know of. Now you know that all Turners firearms have a hidden $5 fee on them (unless you are buying multiple long guns where you only pay one $5 fee (and even that might have changed with the new DROS system that requires a separate DROS for each long gun, I dunno)). So, when Ammo Brothers tells you XYZ firearm is $500, and Turners gives you the same number, realize that Turners is actually $5 higher. I try to think "out the door" price when shopping and always add in that $5 when thinking about Turners pricing.

[keith1911]

Turner's did not charge him $30 for DROS. they charged him the $25 in DROS fees, (broke out I believe to $19+1+1+4 for all the different fees) plus a separate $5 dealer fee, which is totally legal for them to do. a little douchey, but that is the way that they have been doing it for years. why don't they just raise the cost of the guns $5 and do away with the $5 fee? perhaps because it make them "look" cheaper to hide that $5 profit in the paperwork fees.


It's normal for Turners, but not for most dealers that I know of. Now you know that all Turners firearms have a hidden $5 fee on them (unless you are buying multiple long guns where you only pay one $5 fee (and even that might have changed with the new DROS system that requires a separate DROS for each long gun, I dunno)). So, when Ammo Brothers tells you XYZ firearm is $500, and Turners gives you the same number, realize that Turners is actually $5 higher. I try to think "out the door" price when shopping and always add in that $5 when thinking about Turners pricing.

I've often wondered how they were getting around the law stating that the DROS fee is $25.

[Turner's Outdoorsman]

Dealers may collect up to $10 per each DROS. We have collected $5 for new, used and consigned guns since 1998 or 1999 when we raised it from $4. We have always collected the max of $10 on PPT's.

DOJ dictates that these fees are clearly distinguished by the dealer on receipts and/or invoices which we do. The fee is charged per DROS, not per gun on new, used and consigned guns.

Generally speaking, a much more simplistic business approach would be to co-mingle regulatory mandated costs/expenses into COGS as is sometimes suggested but we've chosen to delineate it for a variety of business reasons and very specifically not to "hide it".

[keith1911]

Dealers may collect up to $10 per each DROS. We have collected $5 for new, used and consigned guns since 1998 or 1999 when we raised it from $4. We have always collected the max of $10 on PPT's.

DOJ dictates that these fees are clearly distinguished by the dealer on receipts and/or invoices which we do. The fee is charged per DROS, not per gun on new, used and consigned guns.

Generally speaking, a much more simplistic business approach would be to co-mingle regulatory mandated costs/expenses into COGS as is sometimes suggested but we've chosen to delineate it for a variety of business reasons and very specifically not to "hide it".

The difference that we're pointing out is pretty much no other dealer does this on new firearms.

[Turner's Outdoorsman]

We shop around many times during the year here in SoCal in person and online as well as using the online distributor gun "marts" such as Gallery of Guns and others, and the variations we see in DROS Fees, shipping fees (interestingly so when stores are within miles or even blocks of each other) and retail prices indicate that we are not alone in charging a fee- it just varies as to where it shows up in your transaction.

We might assume that some dealers have higher prices that may off-set charging fees as a separate charge and we can similarly assume that some dealers operate on lower margins since they don't charge a fee and offer similar or lower prices then we might. Again while some folks operate their business on a simple cash basis, GAAP dictates otherwise and we choose to separate the CA-specific administrative costs of selling a gun from other marginal costs.

[ambiguous216]

Can you explain what these $5 dealer fees are for? Also why collect the max of $10 on PPT? It's takes less than 10 mins to do a PPT and you take full advantage of dealer fees for what?

And what's up with you making customers buy a $5 cheap lock for PPTs when most customers have a collection of locks at home? The funny thing is you don't forget the $5 lock fee but you forget to give out the lock when customers come in for pickup.


May I suggest you shop your LGS and update your dealer fees policy?

Dealers may collect up to $10 per each DROS. We have collected $5 for new, used and consigned guns since 1998 or 1999 when we raised it from $4. We have always collected the max of $10 on PPT's.

DOJ dictates that these fees are clearly distinguished by the dealer on receipts and/or invoices which we do. The fee is charged per DROS, not per gun on new, used and consigned guns.

Generally speaking, a much more simplistic business approach would be to co-mingle regulatory mandated costs/expenses into COGS as is sometimes suggested but we've chosen to delineate it for a variety of business reasons and very specifically not to "hide it".

[ifilef]

Luckily we have other options. Many, many other options.

What do you mean?

[Josh3239]

Also why collect the max of $10 on PPT?

Every dealer charges that and if you stop and think about it $10 is nothing. A customer coming in to buy a gun or even a box of ammo is worth more. So now you are tying up an employee, tying up a computer, accepting liability for the gun, and becoming a storage company by way of having the $10 gun take up space for something that could make more money... and all for $10. And your actually upset at a store for charging $10 for that? That is only so low because it is capped. All things considered, for the cost of business, it is a steal. That said, your problem is with the government.

And what's up with you making customers buy a $5 cheap lock for PPTs when most customers have a collection of locks at home?

Because that is the way the law is written

(c) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from
subdivision (a) if all of the following apply:
(1) The purchaser or transferee purchases an approved safety
device no more than 30 days prior to the day the purchaser or
transferee takes possession of the firearm.
(2) The purchaser or transferee presents the approved safety
device to the firearms dealer when picking up the firearm.
(3) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt to
the firearms dealer, which shows the date of purchase, the name,
and the model number of the safety device.
(4) The firearms dealer verifies that the requirements in
paragraphs (1) to (3), inclusive, have been satisfied.
(5) The firearms dealer maintains a copy of the receipt along
with the dealer's record of sales of firearms.