Help settle a bet: Do AR15s produce a faster velocity than any given .223 rifle?

[BonnieB]

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Hi, Bonnie,

I'm curious, have you shown your friend all the replies here?

What is fascinating is that someone would be willing to do a $100 bet with only such a vague 'memory' of 'reading something somewhere'........are we seeing the skill of propagandists in action?

Well, for those of you following this thread, adding a lot of great information, I have to tell you that my "friend" welched. Wouldn't agree on the terms of the bet, started diversions and side discussions, did everything you can name to wriggle out of it. Implied that there was something wrong with me because I was willing to objectively prove a FACT, not an opinion. I think she actually heard this on the radio...

So, no $100 and maybe not so much a friend either. (sigh...)

But the REAL ISSUE here is that THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW that an AR-15 style weapon IS NO DIFFERENT than any other SEMI AUTO RIFLE OF THE SAME CALIBER. For instance my .223 semi auto Ruger Mini 14. That will take a 30 round mag, (not in California and I don't have one). But they exist. The public thinks AR-15 types are somehow more lethal (because they are black and scary looking?). So, really, it's time to educate people. That's what I was trying to do, educate my friend, but I just FAILED.

[nedro]

I think someone danced around this issue earlier.
Your average single shot bolt gun will have a slightly higher velocity than a gas operated gun like an AR.
So, when you getting paid?

[BonnieB]

I'm not getting paid. It was a handshake bet, and my friend backed out. Even though she KNOWS I never bet unless I'm sure, and I either collect or pay up. Funny, you hang out with people for years and think you know them...

[nedro]

Better to keep a friend than extract the hundred.
But I'll say this one time.
There are many who consider a hand shake as stronger than a written contract when it comes to personal responsibility and genuine measure of a person's integrity.

[MEGSDAD]

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Well, for those of you following this thread, adding a lot of great information, I have to tell you that my "friend" welched. Wouldn't agree on the terms of the bet, started diversions and side discussions, did everything you can name to wriggle out of it. Implied that there was something wrong with me because I was willing to objectively prove a FACT, not an opinion. I think she actually heard this on the radio...

So, no $100 and maybe not so much a friend either. (sigh...)

But the REAL ISSUE here is that THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW that an AR-15 style weapon IS NO DIFFERENT than any other SEMI AUTO RIFLE OF THE SAME CALIBER. For instance my .223 semi auto Ruger Mini 14. That will take a 30 round mag, (not in California and I don't have one). But they exist. The public thinks AR-15 types are somehow more lethal (because they are black and scary looking?). So, really, it's time to educate people. That's what I was trying to do, educate my friend, but I just FAILED.

Sometimes I think it's unwise to "educate" the anti crowd. If they knew the mini 14 was the same as the AR, except for cosmetics, they'd want to ban that too.

[Sam Adams]

Sometimes I think it's unwise to "educate" the anti crowd. If they knew the mini 14 was the same as the AR, except for cosmetics, they'd want to ban that too.

That day is fast approaching. All semi's are next.

[tomk556]

FUD. I mean fine, yes, for the five who can afford FC-boosted rounds, but why bother when you can get a quart of Cheetah blood on amazon for $8 bucks? Work smart, not hard.

[ARDude]

I'm not getting paid. It was a handshake bet, and my friend backed out. Even though she KNOWS I never bet unless I'm sure, and I either collect or pay up. Funny, you hang out with people for years and think you know them...

Just because you and your friend don't agree....you can still be friends. I have friends and relatives that think the same way your friend does. We still talk, hang out ect.

p.s. Tell your friend you found out that you can shoot around corners now....tell him/her you saw it in a movie.

[BonnieB]

I don't need the hundred, and I do need my BFF. So, no more bets with her. It's not worth the hassle. But thanks to everybody who contributed to this thread, I learned a lot.

It's funny. The really SMART people I know, start backing away from me when I casually say "Well, I gotta hundred that says...". Because they know I never bet unless I'm sure.

[Sailormilan2]

Bonnie, here is a picture that might help. 4 loaded cartridges. From left to right, the 8mm Mauser, 30-06 Gov't, .308 Win(aka 7.62x51 NATO), and the .223 Rem(aka 5.56 NATO/AR15 round).
The 8mm Mauser was the German military round(and others) from about 1891 to 1945. It was mounted on everything, and used to shoot down hundreds of airplanes. Definitely a killing round.
The 30-06 Gov't was the US military round from 1906 to about the 1970s. It was mounted on everything, and was used to shoot down hundreds of airplanes. Definitely a killing round, and one of the most common hunting rounds in the US today. There are thousands of semi auto rifles in this caliber in the US today.
The .308 Win/7.62NATO replaced the 30-06 Gov't and while it wasn't used to shoot down airplanes it was basically ithe 30-06's equivalent. It was used as the US Military round from the 1950s to today. Definitely a killing round. There are thousands of semi auto rifles in this caliber in the US today.
Finally the .223 Rem/5.56NATO. Introduced in the early 60s and used to today. It is nothing but a glorified squirrel, or varmint, shooting round. In some states it is not legal to hunt deer with.
It was never used for anything major. Ie. Shooting down planes, or heavy machine gun fire. In fact, it was first issued to the Air Police who guarded USAF planes because if the bullet missed its intended target and hit a plane it wouldn't do much damage.
The US Army got it from the Air Police and issued it, because in addition to it being light weight and being able to carry lots of ammo, the round did not kill as well as the others. In fact, in the Army mind, it is preferable to wound a man, rather than kill him. It takes 3-4 people to care for a wounded man, and ties up assets. A dead man requires nobody to care for them.
With today's shorter barreled guns, and heavier bullets that the US military now issues, the bullet isn't traveling much faster than those of the bigger rounds. The bigger rounds can be loaded with bullets that shoot faster than that of the .223/5.56, and with their bigger bullets they diffinately do more damage than the little bullet.

[71MUSTY]

The original statement was that rifles were more deadly them handguns because of the higher muzzle velocity.

The Liberal media and the Anti's (lacking any knowledge) twisted that into " AR's are the most deadly killing machine..." because it fit their agenda.

Thus Liberal Media and the Anti's turned the AR into the weapon of choice for psychopaths.

The difference between AR type weapons and traditional rifles are actually negligible (except perhaps weight)

Media hype creates mass shooters and tells them what to wear, what to say and what gun to use.

[OHOD]

IIRC if the gases of the cartridge have a longer time to expand in a longer barrell, expect the round to have a higher velocity than a shorter barrel. If both barrels are the same length, I would expect the same velocity. I don't thing there is much velocity/gas lost when the round passes the gas tube port in the AR-15.

Anyway, that's what I think. Chai Latte

[nedro]

The original statement was that rifles were more deadly them handguns because of the higher muzzle velocity.

The Liberal media and the Anti's (lacking any knowledge) twisted that into " AR's are the most deadly killing machine..." because it fit their agenda.

Thus Liberal Media and the Anti's turned the AR into the weapon of choice for psychopaths.

The difference between AR type weapons and traditional rifles are actually negligible (except perhaps weight)

Media hype creates mass shooters and tells them what to wear, what to say and what gun to use.

Absolutely!
They are the murderers of our children and do it gleefully!

[Librarian]

As we're drifting, seems to have run its course.

Closed.