.22LR for self defense

[grantar2]

Now I need to be up front, I know this is going to send some people into orbit, especially among the guys who visit. But after a recent gun show where it a number of people turned out to have .22LR as well as .380ACP on their carry list, and one guy gave my wife a hard time because her favorite gun is her .22LR Walther P22, I thought I would post this insightful video link.

Now I know SPAM isn't an FBI ballistic gel block, and the producer didn't verify 12-18 inches of penetration through jean fabric and all. But I am pretty sure I wouldn't want to get hit by this little .22LR.

Turn's our many of the women we have had as customers over the last year suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome and recoil pain and grip are less a matter of conditioning, and more a result of injury.

For your review, comment, entertainment, and because the board has just been too quite. .22LR and 9mm vs a can of SPAM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLblbXfzhFc

That .22LR rifle may be a keeper too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY

[Tokarevman]

If you're gonna use 22LR for self defense, then I suggest load it up with Aguila SSS 60gr. Its tumbling effect does massive damage (worse than a straight fmj 380).
The round is powerful enough to cycle any 22 semiauto action. Don't use the small NAA with the aguila sss round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GwRgIpbflA

Very good test. (SSS action starts @ 7:21)

https://youtu.be/kaON43n1Yww?t=7m21s

[JeffC]

22lr is fine in terms of ballistics but it fails in terms of reliability. A rim fire is inherently less reliable than a primer fire.

[WMG]

If someone is going to either use a 22lr or nothing ..... then the 22lr wins.
The 22lr will work for S.D right up to the point ... that it doesn't.
I won't try and sell someone the idea that the 22lr is useless for S.D and at the same time , I ask that they don't try and sell me the idea that it's all that's needed.........

[movie zombie]

i was told by a santa clara county sheriff that more people are killed by .22 than any other caliber......of course, that would include suicides, etc.

not my first choice of a SD round but i'd take it over throwing a pistol at a bad guy.

[grantar2]

Of course .22LR is problematic, some guns digest some rounds better and more reliably than others.

My .22LR revolver holds 9 rounds and I could count on one hand the number of misfires in 30 years, but my wife doesn't like it, and its a long barreled field gun anyway.

On the other hand she lovers her Walther and M&P AR chambered in .22LR. The AR has never had a problem with most rounds, the Walther well I personally hate that gun, but she loves it. It is super picky.

My J.C. Higgins can swallow almost anything.

The key if someone is going to use a .22LR rifle for HD, or a .22 Semi-auto or revolver for PD is to test and shoot a lot. Helps to remember that .22LR is a dirty round and the gun must be kept clean.

[grantar2]

Have to admit that damage to that can of SPAM having pierced the metal skin and blown out the back was surprising.

[Kayo Kelly]

I was told by OC Sheriff .22 was too small to put on the list.

Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk

[hardlyworking]

CCI Velocitor is no laughing matter 40gr hollow point moving at 1400fps (rifle) that actually expands in gel reliably.

Yes rimfire ignition is not as reliable, so look into double action LCR and just squeeze the trigger again. But these are packed in boxes of 50 with high QC at ~$.15 cents per round, not like the 525 round bulk packs with limited QC.

[sixoclockhold]

http://www.wnd.com/wnd_video/for-self-defense-22-beats-45/

[ar15robert]

I was trying to get my wife atleast a 9mm for home when im gone but she doesnt like my 45 or 10mm and wants a 22.

I know a 22 aint the best but she just said she wants something to stun them enough to kick them in the balls and run out which i think it will do.

I know it aint a 1 shot stopper by far but anyone who thinks that it wont slow someone down i have asked if they would stand in front and take a bullet from a 22 so far no takers.IMO shot placement will be the big factor.

[WMG]

I know it aint a 1 shot stopper by far but anyone who thinks that it wont slow someone down i have asked if they would stand in front and take a bullet from a 22 so far no takers

That's such a bogus internet comment made by all those who want to justify what they choose esp when it's a 22.
I won't stand in front of you and let you give me an open mouth kiss either ...... but that doesn't mean it's going to stop me if I attack
So you get a 45 and a 10mm ..... and the wife gets a 22 if she needs to shoot a boogerman?
Sounds fair .................................................. ...............
No bersa 380? , I mention bersa as it's one of the easier 380's to shoot even if larger than some , you mentioned for home so that size won't matter.
No 38spl?
No 22mag?
no 410 slug/buck shot gun?
none of the 9x18 surplus pistol?
....... so you get a 45 and 10mm cause your bad guys are tougher than hers??
not sure I follow this train of thought.
but as I said , I won't say a 22lr is useless , it's just more handicapped than others...............
of course should somebody break in , we will all hope it's that scrawny video game playing kid from down the block , and not that dude that just got out of prison 4 months ago and spent the last 15yrs of his life pumping iron and getting prison hard .................................. but we can only hope , since it's not often we get to choose our aggressors.......
I'm not attacking and hope it comes across as it was meant ...... but that to can often be out of our control.

[ar15robert]

That's such a bogus internet comment made by all those who want to justify what they choose esp when it's a 22.
I won't stand in front of you and let you give me an open mouth kiss either ...... but that doesn't mean it's going to stop me if I attack
So you get a 45 and a 10mm ..... and the wife gets a 22 if she needs to shoot a boogerman?
Sounds fair .................................................. ...............
No bersa 380? , I mention bersa as it's one of the easier 380's to shoot even if larger than some , you mentioned for home so that size won't matter.
No 38spl?
No 22mag?
no 410 slug/buck shot gun?
none of the 9x18 surplus pistol?
....... so you get a 45 and 10mm cause your bad guys are tougher than hers??
not sure I follow this train of thought.
but as I said , I won't say a 22lr is useless , it's just more handicapped than others...............
of course should somebody break in , we will all hope it's that scrawny video game playing kid from down the block , and not that dude that just got out of prison 4 months ago and spent the last 15yrs of his life pumping iron and getting prison hard .................................. but we can only hope , since it's not often we get to choose our aggressors.......
I'm not attacking and hope it comes across as it was meant ...... but that to can often be out of our control.

No i didnt just get a 10 and a 45 cause my bad guys are tougher they are guns i already have dumbazz.its what she prefers and not going to get here something she aint comfy with she has shot a 9mm and .380 and snubnose 38.

She also wants the 22 for a plinker when we go shooting.

[sealocan]

I've always thought of the reliability argument as somewhat valid.

Regardless to whether the round is powerful enough you still have to keep in mind it's never going to be as reliable as centerfire.

[WMG]

No i didnt just get a 10 and a 45 cause my bad guys are tougher they are guns i already have dumbazz.its what she prefers and not going to get here something she aint comfy with she has shot a 9mm and .380 and snubnose 38.

She also wants the 22 for a plinker when we go shooting.

whoa , you're too tuff for me , i'm out.