SSE + DROS + CCW = FAIL?

[JeffM]

What would prevent the customer from submitting an Ownership Record (Voluntary Registration) to the DOJ with the new caliber info? They might reject it because the gun is already registered but I'd include a note on the VolReg stating that the caliber has changed after replacing the barrel and they want the correct info on the registration. I know of people successfully submitting VolRegs for receivers DROSed as long-guns but built as pistols so that the registration reflected "pistol".

https://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/volreg.pdf

[lorax3]

What would prevent the customer from submitting an Ownership Record (Voluntary Registration) to the DOJ with the new caliber info?

Someone in the thread I linked to earlier had their VolReg denied when they tried to do that. I don't know if they included a note.

[lugnutwrench]

here is where it is legal for you to transfer to them to pawn;

...

and here is where it is legal for them to return it to you from pawn;

...

You know that, and I know that, but when I spoke to them, it didn't sound like they were interested in changing their business practices.

I have found that being confident and being correct aren't often directly correlated. I've also found that (perhaps perversely), "if you're explaining, you're losing."

Back to the drawing board.

[lugnutwrench]

What would prevent the customer from submitting an Ownership Record (Voluntary Registration) to the DOJ with the new caliber info? They might reject it because the gun is already registered but I'd include a note on the VolReg stating that the caliber has changed after replacing the barrel and they want the correct info on the registration. I know of people successfully submitting VolRegs for receivers DROSed as long-guns but built as pistols so that the registration reflected "pistol".

https://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/volreg.pdf

According to this post (which actually has a pretty useful and detailed history), a BOF 4245A (Firearm Ownership Record, or "voluntary registration" form) won't work.

Edit: whoops! lorax3 beat me to it. If the customer has time to experiment, I might try. I doubt the lever-pullers will treat it any differently though just because there's some non-standard thing in the notes field. Color me cynical....

[lorax3]

It is worth mentioning that people get lots of different results when it comes to DOJ forms.

Just last week a friend got confirmation he registered his C&R pistol he acquired out of state.

......except he sent in a report of a K31 acquired in-state. Thanks DOJ.

[Daydrmr999]

Someone in the thread I linked to earlier had their VolReg denied when they tried to do that. I don't know if they included a note.

I was one of the people that had the volreg denied. The letter said that it was denied because the gun was already registered to me. I heard that 1 or 2 got through but doj must have gotten wind of what was going on and stopped that.

[lugnutwrench]

FYI, I'm trying to get info on the "loan" functionality in DES to see if that's useful for resolving this situation. I'm providing the details in another thread so as not to hijack this one (from myself).

[OCArmory]

Also if doing a pawn or consignment the dealer must hold the gun for 30 days pursuant to the second hand dealers license

[SkyHawk]

Also if doing a pawn or consignment the dealer must hold the gun for 30 days pursuant to the second hand dealers license

That only applies to items that are bought by the pawnshop or FFL and eventually going to be offered for sale to someone else. It does not apply to items that are used as security for a loan and which will be returned to the person who originally brought it in, nor does it apply to consignments.

[OCArmory]

You would be incorrect it does apply to all property taken in .
BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE
21628. Every secondhand dealer or coin dealer described in Section
21626 shall report daily, or on the first working day after receipt
or purchase of secondhand tangible personal property
Note it says receipt
21636. (a) Every secondhand dealer and coin dealer shall retain in
his or her possession for a period of 30 days all tangible personal
property reported under Sections 21628, 21629, and 21630, and
commencing July 1, 2010, Section 21628.2.

[acespawnshop]

Also if doing a pawn or consignment the dealer must hold the gun for 30 days pursuant to the second hand dealers license

Yes, you still have to hold it just as mentioned above.

[acespawnshop]

Well that is sorta correct. Pawns there is no "minimum" time frame something has to be in pawn. Ive had plenty of times people pawn and pick up that same day.

[AdamVIP]

Not sure if this is FUD or not but there was a conversation at a gun shop about this very situation and it was suggested that it could be remedied by a voluntary registration form with some minimal processing fee that you can use to specify the caliber and barrel length and what not.

[awiner]

Not sure if this is FUD or not but there was a conversation at a gun shop about this very situation and it was suggested that it could be remedied by a voluntary registration form with some minimal processing fee that you can use to specify the caliber and barrel length and what not.

Been tried. Didn't work.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=14364379#post14364379

[SkyHawk]

Well that is sorta correct. Pawns there is no "minimum" time frame something has to be in pawn. Ive had plenty of times people pawn and pick up that same day.

Thank you. Seems pretty obvious to me but better to hear it from a real, live pawn broker

So to summarize, you can in fact pawn and Re-DROS your gun the on same day. This has already been done by numerous calguns members in the real world.

And I know several people who have taken their pistols in for consignment and retrieved them via DROS after changing their minds, without 30 days needing to elapse.

Lastly, I know of no FFLs who are in the business of handling consignments that require any wait before placing the firearms on display for sale.

The 30 day hold applies to outright purchases of second hand goods by a second hand dealer, not pawned or consigned items.