Second form of address & exemption question

[clrems77]

I have been told two different things and would like clarification. If a purchaser had their current address in their DL/ID is a second form of residency required?

Second: Are firefighters who work as arson investigators and carry a CCW exempt to buy off roster guns as police are? If so, what exemption code is used?

Thanks!

[ugimports]

First Question: Depends - Are you asking for ATF or CA DOJ? ATF, no. CA DOJ prior to 2015 DL/ID with valid license was good enough for non-handguns.

As of 2015, I believe you need CA/DL to verify identity and additional documentation for residency.

Kemasa will be along shortly to remind us it isn't a 2nd proof of residency. CA ignores the DL as proof of residency.

2nd - I think they are roster exempt, but need to re-read PC. As far as FSC exemption it would either be X91 or the one related to California Peac Officer - X31 or X25 (I forget)...

[EBR Works]

First Question: Depends - Are you asking for ATF or CA DOJ? ATF, no. CA DOJ prior to 2015 DL/ID with valid license was good enough for non-handguns.

As of 2015, I believe you need CA/DL to verify identity and additional documentation for residency.

Kemasa will be along shortly to remind us it isn't a 2nd proof of residency. CA ignores the DL as proof of residency.

2nd - I think they are roster exempt, but need to re-read PC. As far as FSC exemption it would either be X91 or the one related to California Peac Officer - X31 or X25 (I forget)...

Can someone please confirm or deny whether we need a POR for non-hanguns in our DES paperwork packages for submissions in 2015?
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[kemasa]

Kemasa will be along shortly to remind us it isn't a 2nd proof of residency. CA ignores the DL as proof of residency.

Why should I remind you? It seems that you have be listening!! :-)

2nd - I think they are roster exempt, but need to re-read PC. As far as FSC exemption it would either be X91 or the one related to California Peac Officer - X31 or X25 (I forget)...

My guess is that if they are using a CCW, then they would not be roster exempt. They would have to more like police. A clear answer as to how exactly they are allowed to carry would need to be known.

[Sacramento Gun Club]

Hello, All. Joining the party here.

The issue with a CADL/ID is that the DMV lists the mailing address and not the physical address. We usually run into distraught customers when they are advised that their DL/ID will not work with a PO Box or their parent's address. To be safe, just require a secondary and tertiary proof of residence as backup. Let them know before hand and they won't be angry during pick up. If they want the firearm, they'll comply.

There are different levels of Arson Investigators. Sworn Arson Investigators are exempt under Peace Officer status. They are POST Certified and have full arrest powers just like any other LEO. Examples are CA Fire Marshals, CAL FIRE Bomb and Arson Investigators, CAL FIRE LE, UC Fire Marshals, etc...

If they are non-sworn and personally have a CCW then they would only have the CCW exemption for safe handling, however the roster would still apply to them.

Biggest thing: You need to ensure that they have a valid CA Peace Officer's ID. If they don't have one or can't prove it, they are not exempt.

[EBR Works]

That still does not answer my question. If the DL matches their current address, do we need a second document for non-handguns in 2015 like we have always done for handguns?

[Sacramento Gun Club]

EBR, there is nothing wrong with you asking for a tertiary proof or residence as an additional safety measure.

To your question, I am going to assume that the FSC basically changes long gun transactions to match pistol transactions, so "yes".

[EBR Works]

EBR, there is nothing wrong with you asking for a tertiary proof or residence as an additional safety measure.

To your question, I am going to assume that the FSC basically changes long gun transactions to match pistol transactions, so "yes".

Thanks for that, but your "assumption" still does not provide an absolute answer. We are not going to create more paperwork load unless required by law.

[Josh3239]

Thanks for that, but your "assumption" still does not provide an absolute answer. We are not going to create more paperwork load unless required by law.

Michael, we haven't been doing it. Haven't seen a reference to any PC that requires it. Just need to add an FSC and safe handling.

[Sacramento Gun Club]

Again, there is nothing wrong with asking for a tertiary proof of residence. You being an FFL are in the same boat as the rest of us. We don't know the "absolute" answer. DOJ doesn't seem to provide answers that won't contradict how we are interpreting the law.

Regardless, my assumption is safe. Ask for a tertiary form of residence then modify your process as you know more. Then again, your business decisions are yours and how you run it is up to you.

Wouldn't the best course of action to satisfy your question be to contact DOJ directly?

[EBR Works]

Michael, we haven't been doing it. Haven't seen a reference to any PC that requires it. Just need to add an FSC and safe handling.

Perfect. Good enough for Turner's, good enough for me. Thanks Josh!

One minor question; are we to retain the top half of the FSC print out?

Just an observation; just did our first FSC today. The system crashed upon submission and again at payment. It took 4 times logging into the system to print one card. What a POS nightmare!

[kemasa]

CA PC 26845 is the section which requires proof of residency and it is limited only to handguns.

[clrems77]

Thanks for everyones response. So let me get this straight. Handguns need a second prof of residency and long guns dont right? Also a little off topic, but do current HSC card holders need a new FSC card?

Thanks!

[kemasa]

So let me get this straight. Handguns need a second prof of residency and long guns dont right?

Sigh ... Incorrect. Handguns need proof of residency BUT a CA ID/DL does not qualify, so another document is needed. For a long gun, the CA ID/DL is acceptable. There is NO second proof of residency.

Also a little off topic, but do current HSC card holders need a new FSC card?

No, the HSC is still valid for handgun purchases until it expires. It does not work for long guns though.

[DEPUTYBILL]

I have been told two different things and would like clarification. If a purchaser had their current address in their DL/ID is a second form of residency required?

Second: Are firefighters who work as arson investigators and carry a CCW exempt to buy off roster guns as police are? If so, what exemption code is used?

Thanks!

As to the second question, the local fire department were I live, had their normal photo ID. It was stamped on the back that they were peace officers per a penal code. I seem to recall it was 830.9 PC or something similar.