SSE ending.. when last day to DROS?

[curvejunkie]

So, since SSE is ending, when is the last day to DROS a SSE? As long as it happens prior to 12/31? Or does it have to be picked up before 1/1/15?

I would assume it would be just like a roster gun, that it has to be DROS before it fell off, but was still deliverable after (barring any unusual situation).

What is everyone's thoughts?

[Brian Nussbaum CO]

We will stop DROSing pistols on 12/21/14 and are telling customers SSE guns must be picked up by close of bis 12/31 as we can not assure delivery after that point

As we do not know what will happen 01/01/15 because SSE will no longer be Legal

[auburngunsammo]

I will be doing them until the last day of the month unless I hear strong evidence otherwise. If a certain handgun falls off the roster on the 1st of the month I can still start the DROS the day before it falls off and then transfer it to the customer when the 10 day hold is up even though it is after the firearm has fallen off. I don't necessarily have supporting documentation so anyone feel free to follow up with actual laws if they exist on the subject but as of now I'm treating it just like any other sale.

Wayne

[Brian Nussbaum CO]

I will be doing them until the last day of the month unless I hear strong evidence otherwise. If a certain handgun falls off the roster on the 1st of the month I can still start the DROS the day before it falls off and then transfer it to the customer when the 10 day hold is up even though it is after the firearm has fallen off. I don't necessarily have supporting documentation so anyone feel free to follow up with actual laws if they exist on the subject but as of now I'm treating it just like any other sale.

Wayne

Wayne

I agree if the pistol in question falls off you are GTG

But if the pistol in question is removed from the roster the DROS will be voided by doj

The SSE transfer will not be Legal in 2015 so the reel ??? is will SSE delivery be Legal in 2015

We do not know and they will not answer the ?

[Librarian]

I will be doing them until the last day of the month unless I hear strong evidence otherwise. If a certain handgun falls off the roster on the 1st of the month I can still start the DROS the day before it falls off and then transfer it to the customer when the 10 day hold is up even though it is after the firearm has fallen off. I don't necessarily have supporting documentation so anyone feel free to follow up with actual laws if they exist on the subject but as of now I'm treating it just like any other sale.

Wayne

This is different from falling of the Roster.

The change to 32100 (b) is

However, Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall apply to a semiautomatic pistol that has been temporarily or permanently altered so that it will not fire in a semiautomatic mode.

32000 says

(a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.

32000 is the standard 'you cannot transfer unsafe handguns'. The modification to 32100(b) says that SSE guns are no longer exempt - as of Jan 1, 2015, SSE guns are 'unsafe' and they cannot be transferred to Ordinary Mortals.

Consult your own attorney to confirm, but I would be surprised if he/she told you something substantially different.

(ETA: I have been surprised sometimes ...)

[rbetts]

So based on your interpretation Librarian, It appears that as of 1/1/15, any gun in the dealers possession that is in single shot configuration could not be transferred. Even though paperwork for the transfer shows it started on say 12/24, Delivering it on 1/3 would not be legal.

What say you??

[Librarian]

So based on your interpretation Librarian, It appears that as of 1/1/15, any gun in the dealers possession that is in single shot configuration could not be transferred. Even though paperwork for the transfer shows it started on say 12/24, Delivering it on 1/3 would not be legal.

What say you??

I agree with that interpretation. Delivery of such a gun on or after 1/1/2015 seems to me to be prohibited.

[auburngunsammo]

I agree there is enough gray area that I will probably not risk a few hundred dollars in profit risking some jail time and will probably be taking the route of making sure to deliver all by 12/31/14. I will say however that the way that it is written is does not specifically name "deliver" a gun from a sale. I would already consider the gun sold and modified previous to end of the year but that's me. Still, I am no lawyer and they do get expensive so like I said probably would cost more for the lawyers advice then just not selling a few guns at the end of the month

This is different from falling of the Roster.

The change to 32100 (b) is 32000 says
32000 is the standard 'you cannot transfer unsafe handguns'. The modification to 32100(b) says that SSE guns are no longer exempt - as of Jan 1, 2015, SSE guns are 'unsafe' and they cannot be transferred to Ordinary Mortals.

Consult your own attorney to confirm, but I would be surprised if he/she told you something substantially different.

(ETA: I have been surprised sometimes ...)

[ugimports]

It looks like 2 FFLs are doing SSE through 12/31/2014 and pickup by 1/30/2015.

http://www.ocarmory.com/

https://www.facebook.com/TracyRAP?fref=ts

That being said it looks like we should be good to go through end of year.

[EBR Works]

Until we see it in writing from the DOJ advising otherwise, all of our deliveries will take place by 12/31, 10 PM.

[wildhawker]

I agree with that interpretation. Delivery of such a gun on or after 1/1/2015 seems to me to be prohibited.

This is a toughie. Certainly the statutes don't seem to expressly contemplate it. We're working with DOJ to try and come up with a solution based on their enforcement plans (if any). We'll update once there's something we can share.

-Brandon

[conradin]

Brandon, please clarify, since my potential next purchase (1 in 30 rule) is right around 12/19, that will be very close to 12/31. Also, if I bring the SSE after 1/1 back to have it convert to a normal semi, does it matter, or it has to be done before 1/1 also?

[conradin]

So, since SSE is ending, when is the last day to DROS a SSE? As long as it happens prior to 12/31? Or does it have to be picked up before 1/1/15?

I would assume it would be just like a roster gun, that it has to be DROS before it fell off, but was still deliverable after (barring any unusual situation).

What is everyone's thoughts?

Robert, since you are my FFL, I do need to know, as I have mentioned about potentially getting a Pardini GT45 and the only way to do it is using the SSE method.

[rbetts]

Seems as though we are now hearing that 12/31 is the new date

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=998951

With that, we will join the 12/31 crowd and Conduct SSE transfers until year end.

[ugimports]

Still debatable. They refuse to put it in writing:

Issue : Other, my issue is not listed Submitted: 11/18/2014 08:52 PM
ugimports said: Would like to get confirmation in writing that Single Shot Pistols can continue to be DROSd up until 12/31/2014 and picked up in January 2015 after the new law takes effect. (initial issue report)
DOJ Response (11/18/2014 06:06 PM ): Please refer to AB 1964 that changes PC 32100 to reflect the new law that goes into effect on January 1st, 2015.
ugimports said (11/18/2014 08:49 PM ): That doesn't tell me if I can release a firearm that has begun the waiting period prior to January 1st, 2015. That is what I want clarification on in writing.
ugimports said (11/18/2014 08:50 PM ): All it states is that as of January 1st, 2015 those same firearms cannot be run as Single Shot pistols any longer.
ugimports said (11/18/2014 08:52 PM ): Other FFLs have told me they have called in and spoke to various DOJ personnel that said it is legal to release after 1/1/2015 if background check started in 2014. I am looking for confirmation.
DOJ Response (11/19/2014 08:45 AM ): You can contact the compliance unit at 916-227-7527 and we also recommend you seek legal advice.