FFL's with High Capacity Magazine Permit & CCW

[auburngunsammo]

As a side jack regarding SSE pistols, has anyone ever thought of "re-registering" the pistol to your self with current caliber info to update AFS? Yeah, it'll cost you $19 but for those of you that want to carry your SSE this would get the correct barrel length, caliber, and type of pistol corrected.

I'm referring to the vol registration form (vs DROS again):
https://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/volreg.pdf

The previous posts are accurate to what I am doing as well. I DROS with both calibers and the longer barrel length to be exempt and the Sheriff should have no issues with CCW. I have heard of a few problems but only when the firearm is DROS'ed with ONLY .25 ACP and then the caliber is too small to qualify for CCW. I have had people in Sacramento and Placer county add SSE guns to CCW with no issues.

[kel-tec-innovations]

people were doing that a couple months ago but I read recently that someone had their volreg returned with the uncashed check and a note from Kamala Harris that this form was not for "correcting" the AFS records for a gun you own, but to register a gun that was not acquired through an FFL.

Yes I mark the DROS as .25/? and in the DES system I put .25acp as the first caliber and then whatever the true caliber is as the second.

Currently San Bernardino county STILL does not allow multi caliber. Went in 3 times with 3 different people to put my Sig P938 9mm on my ccw permit and the answer is still the same. "No, must be the current caliber only"

My check got cashed by DOJ over a month and a half ago and nothing has changed still or notice.

[Baboosh]

Totally weird, just had a few customers add theirs. One was a Glock 29 10mm drosed as 25acp and they didn't say a word to him.

I'll send him a link and see if he'll chime in.

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[Daydrmr999]

Yes I mark the DROS as .25/? and in the DES system I put .25acp as the first caliber and then whatever the true caliber is as the second.

I was the person who got the volreg returned with the check uncashed. I bought my Nano from you (Baboosh) and unfortunately the only caliber on the DROS is .25. Is it possible that the DES went through as .25/9mm? And does that make a difference if the DROS shows only .25?

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[gw74r]

I can't find anything in the PC that restricts a High Cap Permit holder from using a High Cap Mag. It doesn't say they can or can't. It just talks about sales, etc. So you must have a AW license to "use" a 30 even though you have a Permit to sell them? What about using 30's you had before 2000?

[ugimports]

I can't find anything in the PC that restricts a High Cap Permit holder from using a High Cap Mag. It doesn't say they can or can't. It just talks about sales, etc. So you must have a AW license to "use" a 30 even though you have a Permit to sell them? What about using 30's you had before 2000?

Where does it say that it is illegal to use a 11+ round magazine unless you have an AW license which would only be very few dealers in California?

[jonathan50bmg]

I talked to a field agent from the California DOJ, I asked him if I could use 10+ capacity magazines in my bullet button AR's for "demonstration" purposes. I told him that I want to shoot many rounds from different magazine manufacturers in order to rate each type before I sell them to those who can legally purchase high cap mags. He told me that is was "okay to do that". He told me that if I keep a copy of my FFL and High Capacity Sellers Permit on me while at the range, "nobody is going to sweat that".

[gw74r]

I was confused by Brian Nussbaum's quote earlier in the thread………

"If you Legally have a standard Cap Mag you can use it. Just be mindful of AW laws. As your High Cap Permit dose not let you put a 30 in a BB AR".

It seemed ambiguous. A High Cap mag in a handgun is OK, but in a BB AR it becomes an AW?

I was hoping there was something written that references a Permit holders ability to actually use High Cap mags. I don't want to get busted by another DOJ agent that doesn't agree with the one jonathan50bmg talked to

[CSACANNONEER]

It is perfectly legal for anyone, LCM permit holder or not, to use a +10 round mag in any rifle or handgun as long as it does not violate CA's AW laws. So, a semi auto, centerfire rifle or any semi auto handgun which is not a RAW and has a fixed mag can only have 10 round or less mags period. If you really don't understand this, don't use any +10 round mags in CA.

There is no special written permission for LCM permit holders to use legally acquired mags in a legal fashion because, LCM permit holders do not have any special privileges when it comes to using +10 round mags. Again, if you don't understand this, do not use +10 round mags in CA.

[CSACANNONEER]

I talked to a field agent from the California DOJ, I asked him if I could use 10+ capacity magazines in my bullet button AR's for "demonstration" purposes. I told him that I want to shoot many rounds from different magazine manufacturers in order to rate each type before I sell them to those who can legally purchase high cap mags. He told me that is was "okay to do that". He told me that if I keep a copy of my FFL and High Capacity Sellers Permit on me while at the range, "nobody is going to sweat that".

Do you have a CA AW permit? If not, I would not listen to the advise you received. I would consult your lawyer instead. A DOJ agent really can't give you special verbal permission to violate CA AW laws. Do you really want to commit a felony? It has nothing to do with your possession of +10 round mags or your LCM permit. Either use a featureless gun or a RAW but, NEVER use a +10 round mag in a fixed mag build unless you have a CA AW permit.

[Baboosh]

I talked to a field agent from the California DOJ, I asked him if I could use 10+ capacity magazines in my bullet button AR's for "demonstration" purposes. I told him that I want to shoot many rounds from different magazine manufacturers in order to rate each type before I sell them to those who can legally purchase high cap mags. He told me that is was "okay to do that". He told me that if I keep a copy of my FFL and High Capacity Sellers Permit on me while at the range, "nobody is going to sweat that".

Don't do that.

[acespawnshop]

I would agree with Baboosh, the law is pretty clear that even with your BB AR-15 a 30 round mag creates an a-salt weapon. Nobody, even the DOJ who you spoke with can give you permission to break the law.

[ripro75]

I would agree with Baboosh, the law is pretty clear that even with your BB AR-15 a 30 round mag creates an a-salt weapon. Nobody, even the DOJ who you spoke with can give you permission to break the law.

I agree as well.

[Librarian]

Me three.

See also the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/No...able_magazines and the footnote in the Magazine Qs thread, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=387409

[gw74r]

Ok thanks to All for the input.