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  • North86
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 1271

    2014 and 03 FFL?

    Now that all long guns will need to be sold through an 01 FFL, do I still need to keep up my bound book for rifles that I sell?
    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt
  • #2
    ke6guj
    Moderator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Nov 2003
    • 23725

    Originally posted by North86
    Now that all long guns will need to be sold through an 01 FFL, do I still need to keep up my bound book for rifles that I sell?
    if you still have an active 03FFL, you must still log all the disposition of all C&R fireamrs that you buy or sell while you are licensed. it doesn't matter how the firearms are transfered to the end buyer, you still need to log the outgoing transfer (in this case, you would log it out to the 01FFL).
    Jack



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    • #3
      Quiet
      retired Goon
      • Mar 2007
      • 30241

      Originally posted by ke6guj
      if you still have an active 03FFL, you must still log all the disposition of all C&R fireamrs that you buy or sell while you are licensed. it doesn't matter how the firearms are transfered to the end buyer, you still need to log the outgoing transfer (in this case, you would log it out to the 01FFL).
      What he said.

      And this is needed in order to comply with Federal laws/regulations.
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      • #4
        TRICKSTER
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Mar 2008
        • 12438

        Why wouldn't you? Federal law requires that you log all weapons that can be defined as a C&R as long as you are licensed and regardless of how you acquire or dispose of them.


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        • #5
          North86
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 1271

          If the purpose of the govt is to have a paper trail of C&R sales, then the 01 FFL is the best avenue for that, no?

          In short, without a COE, the 03 is useless to me, and I am denied equal protection under the law compared to other states. I may as well give the damn thing back.
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          • #6
            kemasa
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jun 2005
            • 10706

            Except that you can go out of state and purchase C&R firearms when you have a C&R FFL, whereas others can not.
            Kemasa.
            False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

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            • #7
              pterrell
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              • Aug 2013
              • 3576

              Pardon my ignorance, but if you get a CoE, does that make it so you can have all firearms shipped to you or just C&R as an 03?
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              • #8
                Mssr. Eleganté
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                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 10401

                If you have a C&R FFL and a COE then you can have C&R long guns shipped to your house, as long as the seller isn't a California dealer.
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                • #9
                  ke6guj
                  Moderator
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 23725

                  Originally posted by pterrell
                  Pardon my ignorance, but if you get a CoE, does that make it so you can have all firearms shipped to you or just C&R as an 03?
                  the C&R+COE benefits only apply to C&R long guns.
                  Jack



                  Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

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                  • #10
                    pterrell
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 3576

                    Alright. That's what I thought but I wanted to make sure.
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                    • #11
                      pterrell
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 3576

                      2nd question. If you're an 03 + have the CoE, do you still DROS a C&R if it comes to your door if it is for yourself?
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                      • #12
                        Mssr. Eleganté
                        Blue Blaze Irregular
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 10401

                        You only need to DROS when you are buying from or through a California dealer. C&R long guns that C&R FFLs have shipped to their doors have to be self reported by mailing in a form with payment to CalDOJ.
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                        • #13
                          pterrell
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          • Aug 2013
                          • 3576

                          Alright I see. Thanks

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                          • #14
                            North86
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 1271

                            You only need to DROS when you are buying from or through a California dealer. C&R long guns that C&R FFLs have shipped to their doors have to be self reported by mailing in a form with payment to CalDOJ.
                            So all of my C&R long guns just went up $20 in cost, for some bullshyte fee that wasn't there last year? Just checking.
                            Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

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                            • #15
                              ke6guj
                              Moderator
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 23725

                              Originally posted by North86
                              So all of my C&R long guns just went up $20 in cost, for some bullshyte fee that wasn't there last year? Just checking.
                              $19 per form which can be multiple C&R long guns. it does suck but at least you can cost average out that $19
                              Jack



                              Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                              No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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