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  • #16
    kemasa
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jun 2005
    • 10706

    The procedures are pretty clear, as well as stupid since they don't have you take off the lock first. The firearm should be empty at the start.

    It sounds like it was incorrectly done, which is not surprising really.

    The HSC manual, which I posted the link for, has the procedure.
    Kemasa.
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    • #17
      DEPUTYBILL
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 873

      What do you do when the gun in question is an odd caliber, say 8mm nambu
      and you have no snap caps, or expended rounds to do the test?

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      • #18
        kemasa
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jun 2005
        • 10706

        Originally posted by DEPUTYBILL
        What do you do when the gun in question is an odd caliber, say 8mm nambu
        and you have no snap caps, or expended rounds to do the test?
        You find one or you can't do the HSD and if you can't do the HSD, then you can't transfer it unless the buyer is exempt.

        If you can find the ammo, you can pull the bullet and set off the primer, then use the brass.
        Kemasa.
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        • #19
          DEPUTYBILL
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 873

          It came up in a shop I work part time. He bought a nambu at an estate auction.
          The buyer happened to be exempt, so it was not an issue for that purchase.
          I was thinking that when the long gun DROS takes effect, will a safe handling be required on long guns. That could case a problem for some of the more exotic caliber of long guns!

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          • #20
            kemasa
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jun 2005
            • 10706

            It is good when it is not an issue :-).

            I am not sure about what will be done with long guns. I vaguely recall something about that, but I am not sure. How do you deal with lowers?
            Kemasa.
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            • #21
              mrdd
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 2023

              The safe handling demonstration is spelled out clearly in the law.

              There is nothing in the law which states that a standard capacity magazine cannot be used, as long as the person providing the magazine is present. You can loan a standard capacity magazine to someone who remains in your presence for the duration of the loan.

              PC 26853. To comply with Section 26850, a safe handling demonstration for a semiautomatic pistol shall include all of the following steps:
              (a) Remove the magazine.

              (b) Lock the slide back. If the model of firearm does not allow the slide to be locked back, pull the slide back, visually and physically check the chamber to ensure that it is clear.

              (c) Visually and physically inspect the chamber, to ensure that the handgun is unloaded.

              (d) Remove the firearm safety device, if applicable. If the firearm safety device prevents any of the previous steps, remove the firearm safety device during the appropriate step.

              (e) Load one bright orange, red, or other readily identifiable dummy round into the magazine. If no readily identifiable dummy round is available, an empty cartridge casing with an empty primer pocket may be used.

              (f) Insert the magazine into the magazine well of the firearm.

              (g) Manipulate the slide release or pull back and release the slide.

              (h) Remove the magazine.

              (i) Visually inspect the chamber to reveal that a round can be chambered with the magazine removed.

              (j) Lock the slide back to eject the bright orange, red, or other readily identifiable dummy round. If the handgun is of a model that does not allow the slide to be locked back, pull the slide back and physically check the chamber to ensure that the chamber is clear. If no readily identifiable dummy round is available, an empty cartridge casing with an empty primer pocket may be used.

              (k) Apply the safety, if applicable.

              (l) Apply the firearm safety device, if applicable. This requirement shall not apply to an Olympic competition pistol if no firearm safety device, other than a cable lock that the department has determined would damage the barrel of the pistol, has been approved for the pistol, and the pistol is either listed in subdivision (b) of Section 32105 or is subject to subdivision (c) of Section 32105.

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