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  • kemasa
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jun 2005
    • 10706

    FAQ: Shipping

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    NOTE: Laws change over time, so what was written at one point in time may no longer be correct, so you need to read ALL of the posts and confirm that it is still correct. An example is in regards to shipping C&R firearms into CA.

    All:

    While the law is not perfectly clear, the Federal law seems to require written notification to the common carrier (which includes the USPS) that you are shipping a firearm. UPS and FedEx don't seem to have any process for this.



    There is no law which requires overnight shipping of any firearms. UPS/FedEx have policies in regards to shipping handguns. Unless you have a large contract, you will be forced to ship a handgun overnight. Those with contracts can ship second-day air.

    FedEx Express and FedEx ground are basically two separate companies. FedEx ground will not ship handguns.

    In general, it is cheaper to ship a long gun FedEx ground.

    Non-FFLs:

    There is no Federal law which prevents a non-FFL from shipping to a FFL, but some FFLs have policies of not receiving a firearm from a non-FFL, which is their choice.

    Before shipping a firearm to a "FFL", you should ensure that the person is really a FFL using the BATF ezcheck web page:



    You will need the first three and last five number of the FFL's number. It is not required to ship only to the addresses listed on the FFL, but it is a good idea to ensure that it is going to the FFL and not someone else.

    FFLs who do accept shipment of firearms from non-FFLs may request a copy of the shipper's ID in order to log where the firearm came from.

    There is no requirement that a FFL give a copy of their FFL to a non-licensee.

    Only FFLs can ship handguns USPS. Depending on the cost for the FFL to ship a handgun, it might be cheaper for a non-FFL to ship a handgun through a FFL.

    USPS:

    FFLs need to submit Form 1508 when shipping a handgun USPS. There is no requirement that you bring the package to the Post Office, but it is a good idea. Also, it is a good idea to retain a copy of the Form 1508. It has been reported that insurance claims have been denied if a copy of the Form 1508 is not provided. I bring two copies of Form 1508 when I ship a firearm, so I retain an original of the form, just in case.

    You can get regional boxes through the USPS web site, which are not available at the local Post Office. If you compare the cost to ship Priority, Flat Rate Priority or Regional Priority you can often save money depending on the distance and the weight.



    FedEx:

    Service Guide is your resource for FedEx service information and shipping basics.


    UPS:

    Last edited by kemasa; 02-13-2017, 1:18 PM.
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    kemasa
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jun 2005
    • 10706

    Originally posted by kel-tec-innovations
    sticky?
    No need really since it is listed in the FFL Master FAQ, along with other threads.
    Kemasa.
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      Mssr. Eleganté
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      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2005
      • 10401

      Originally posted by kemasa
      ...While the law is not perfectly clear, the Federal law seems to require written notification to the common carrier (which includes the USPS) that you are shipping a firearm. UPS and FedEx don't seem to have any process for this.
      The Gun Contol Act only requires you to notify a common carrier that you are shipping a firearm if you are shipping it interstate to a non-FFL. If you are shipping within your State or to an FFL in any State then notification isn't required under the GCA. But like you said, the USPS regs do require notification and UPS and FedEx both have policies requiring notification.
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        tenpercentfirearms
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Apr 2005
        • 13007

        Originally posted by kemasa
        USPS:

        FFLs need to submit Form 1508 when shipping a firearm USPS.
        Is it a firearm or a handgun? I thought you could ship long guns without the 1508, but needed it for handguns.
        www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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          cruising7388
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 2542

          The Gun Contol Act only requires you to notify a common carrier that you are shipping a firearm if you are shipping it interstate to a non-FFL. If you are shipping within your State or to an FFL in any State then notification isn't required under the GCA. But like you said, the USPS regs do require notification and UPS and FedEx both have policies requiring notification.
          Would this apply if you were addressing and shipping it to yourself in another state?

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            kemasa
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jun 2005
            • 10706

            It is a bit unclear. Depending on how you read the section, you need to notify the carrier in writing that you are shipping a firearm. The shipper can not release a firearm unless they get an adult signature. If they are not notified, then they can not follow the law.

            Also, the USPS web site says:

            432.2 PS Form 1508

            PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms, must be completed by each firearm manufacturer or dealer who deposits firearms for mailing. The form must be filed with the postmaster of the post office of mailing.
            Notice, it does not say for handguns only. The bottom line is that it does not hurt and it is a means of reporting that it is a firearm as perhaps required.
            Kemasa.
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              kemasa
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jun 2005
              • 10706

              The Gun Contol Act only requires you to notify a common carrier that you are shipping a firearm if you are shipping it interstate to a non-FFL. If you are shipping within your State or to an FFL in any State then notification isn't required under the GCA. But like you said, the USPS regs do require notification and UPS and FedEx both have policies requiring notification.
              Your reading of it might not be correct. Since you can not normally ship to a non-licensee, that reading does not make much sense, so why would it say that you have to give written notice when you ship to someone who you can't ship it?

              As linked above:

              Reducing it to make it more simple:

              Read this carefully. While it can be read multiple ways, it also can be read that you can only ship a package only to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector AND that you need written notice to the carrier.
              Kemasa.
              False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

              Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

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                Mssr. Eleganté
                Blue Blaze Irregular
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 10401

                Three examples of legally shipping a firearm to a non-FFL in another State are...

                - shipping your own firearm to yourself care of a friend, hotel, hunting lodge etc.

                - return of a repaired firearm to its owner by a manufacturer.

                - distribution of firearms from an estate by an executor to an heir.

                And then of course it's legal in most States for one non-FFL to ship a firearm to another non-FFL. This is even legal in California for loans to friends, family transfers and 50+ year old C&R long gun transfers.
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                • #11
                  tenpercentfirearms
                  Vendor/Retailer
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 13007

                  Do you want to use this one and have me add it to the FAQ or do you want to make a new thread and use it?
                  www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                  • #12
                    kemasa
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 10706

                    Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                    Do you want to use this one and have me add it to the FAQ or do you want to make a new thread and use it?
                    Huh? You already added this thread to the master FAQ, item 10.

                    #10, what are the shipping rules in general for firearms? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post10218124
                    Kemasa.
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                      billmaykafer
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 1264

                      can a C&R03FFL in maryland ship a C&R rifle to a C&R 03FFL in san diego,ca? my buddy says no,the maryland C&R says yes SKS is type of rifle.
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                        kemasa
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 10706

                        Originally posted by billmaykafer
                        can a C&R03FFL in maryland ship a C&R rifle to a C&R 03FFL in san diego,ca? my buddy says no,the maryland C&R says yes SKS is type of rifle.
                        As far as I know, yes, it is legal, as long as the firearm is legal.

                        C&R handguns have to be shipped to a CA FFL and can not go direct.
                        Kemasa.
                        False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                        Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                        Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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                        • #15
                          tenpercentfirearms
                          Vendor/Retailer
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 13007

                          Originally posted by kemasa
                          Huh? You already added this thread to the master FAQ, item 10.
                          Oops, I thought it was a new one. Sure enough. That made that an easy question to answer.

                          To punish you for correcting me in public, I am going to go erase it.
                          www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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