Long Guns Skipping 10 Day Wait?

[EOD Guy]

There is nothing that I am aware of. Even C&R firearms through a dealer for a customer w/o a C&R FFL and COE have the wait, including some antique firearms made before 1899 (no, I am not kidding).

OK, I'll bite. What antique firearms?

[kemasa]

One that takes a .44 Russian, since that is still made by a commercial company.

While there are three different definitions of what an antique firearm is, based on the CA PC section, the CA DOJ does not actually have this view. This means that if you get a firearm in which is actually an antique and the FFL sending it used the CFLC system, but the DOJ claims that the DROS has to be submitted, you had best submit it due to all the paperwork.

[halifax]

I've had people who've moved in from out of state be surprised that there is a wait, but never someone who's bought a gun before in California. To volunteer the fact that someone is breaking the law for them seems rather odd to say the least.

I don't have that much of a hard time believing that a layperson would blab about it. The customer is only relating what another dealer did and can't understand why the current dealer can't do the same. It's not like the customer knows the law and really understands how this was so wrong.

"...but, but, my last ffl accepted my passport as the secondary Proof of Residency! Why won't you?"

In fact, methinks the blabbing will be that other dealer's downfall. Maybe we should just let this thread die.

[Peter.Steele]

OK, I'll bite. What antique firearms?

Trapdoor Springfield, for instance, or very early Mosin-Nagants. .45-70 and 7.62x54R are both still commercially available.

[Direct Action Solutions]

We had a customer beg us to release his gun early, just to have the DOJ call a few hours later to inform us of a delay on his background check.

Don't do it!

[kemasa]

My response would be that I would be willing to talk about it if the person gives me $1 million cash, upfront. Then I will say that I am not going to break the law for someone especially when I get nothing out of it except troubles.

[dirtyJ]

I bet I know which shop this is, one of two in my mind, and it's not surprising that they're doing it. Nothing's changed, they're just shady when it comes to their friends.

[Seesm]

Sounds nutty 3 mistakes and they are out fo business as a FFL I call B.S. pm me the name and I will personally call the owner...

[EOD Guy]

Trapdoor Springfield, for instance, or very early Mosin-Nagants. .45-70 and 7.62x54R are both still commercially available.

The commercially available ammunition part of the definition only applies to reproductions of antique firearms, not originals, except for those regulated by the NFA. I have 3 trapdoor Springfields, one original and 2 reproductions. The original is an antique under the law. One of the reproductions is C&R and the other fully regulated.

[halifax]

The commercially available ammunition part of the definition only applies to reproductions of antique firearms, not originals, except for those regulated by the NFA. I have 3 trapdoor Springfields, one original and 2 reproductions. The original is an antique under the law. One of the reproductions is C&R and the other fully regulated.

Yep, looks like it:

replica

[ugimports]

Sounds nutty 3 mistakes and they are out fo business as a FFL I call B.S. pm me the name and I will personally call the owner...

I'm not here to "fix" anything. Merely clear up my understanding in case I missed how I could be doing something quicker/better.

In any case, I believe that if they continue to do this one day they may get busted and then they'll have to 'splain themselves. I've no interest in turning anyone in especially since I did not witness this with my own eyes. Heck, my customer could have just been pulling my leg too to see if I'd bite!

[Munk]

Heck, my customer could have just been pulling my leg too to see if I'd bite!

It's more likely than you think.

[kemasa]

The commercially available ammunition part of the definition only applies to reproductions of antique firearms, not originals, except for those regulated by the NFA.

Go convince the CA DOJ about that. I agree with you, but the CA DOJ says otherwise.