Long Guns Skipping 10 Day Wait?

[ugimports]

I've had 2 customers recently surprised that a long gun requires a 10 day wait. They both told me that a bay area store has been releasing long guns on the same day they've gone in to do the purchase. I don't really care to name the store, but am wondering how this is possible?

They were both purchasing a modern shotgun (not C&R) and neither had a C&R license.

They were both fine once I told them what the law actually was and how I had no idea how the other store let them do this.

I asked the customer today (just 5 minutes ago) when he signed the 4473 and DROS he was signing at my shop to start the 10 day wait. He told me that he signed both docs at the store when he picked up his shotgun and at that particular store he was a "regular".

What's the secret sauce I'm missing?

[GatorHunter]

It's up to you as a ffl really what you want to do I know when I was living in florida with my carry license I could take everything home same day.

[LikeAllGuns]

Sound like that ffl was breaking the law..

[LikeAllGuns]

It's up to you as a ffl really what you want to do I know when I was living in florida with my carry license I could take everything home same day.

Thats Florida.....not CA.....

[GatorHunter]

Your right fl not ca. but the ffl in ca was breaking the law but in 10 days if they didn't kill anyone he would not be unless he has guilt. I would not let anyone cheat the cool down period.

[fighterpilot562]

Those customers better be carful with that. Could be some type of sting or setup. and if not, they are clearly breaking the law. You should consider reporting it. Don't want guns falling into the wrong hands and end up having more gun laws because the dealer didn't do the 10 day waiting period.

[Oneaudiopro]

Your right fl not ca. but the ffl in ca was breaking the law but in 10 days if they didn't kill anyone he would not be unless he has guilt. I would not let anyone cheat the cool down period.

The 10 day wait is the least thought out, most annoying piece of garbage legislation I have ever dealt with. What about the 10 other guns the buyer has at home?? Dee Dee Dee..........someone needs to use a little common sense before they start passing useless laws and inconviencing law abiding citizens. Ok...........i'm done.

[greybeard]

Could be they just added another long gun on an existing DROS. I have seen that happen. Customer comes in on the 10 day to pick up the gun and see another one he wants, gets added to the existing DROS

[ugimports]

Could be they just added another long gun on an existing DROS. I have seen that happen. Customer comes in on the 10 day to pick up the gun and see another one he wants, gets added to the existing DROS

The scenario he explained was that this was the first long gun he purchased from the store and that one of the store owners told him long guns don't have a 10 day wait.. The only reason I believe it was an owner is that he told me the name of the person.

Here's me theory of what happened:
1) owner of store knows the guy and so ran his DROS with information on file from last transaction (assuming address and everything was all up-to-date)
2) when buyer comes in the 4473 and DROS are all pre-filled out and he asks the buyer sign here, here, and here, date this 10 days ago, date this today, can I get your thumbprint here, etc...

So the "cooling" off period already occurred, but I would assume if DOJ audited during that time period they would ask how the DROS was started without the customer's signature or thumbprint..

Although, maybe there's some obscure PC I'm missing as well..

[kemasa]

There is nothing that I am aware of. Even C&R firearms through a dealer for a customer w/o a C&R FFL and COE have the wait, including some antique firearms made before 1899 (no, I am not kidding).

[PWPSK1]

I've had 2 customers recently surprised that a long gun requires a 10 day wait. They both told me that a bay area store has been releasing long guns on the same day they've gone in to do the purchase. I don't really care to name the store, but am wondering how this is possible?

They were both purchasing a modern shotgun (not C&R) and neither had a C&R license.

They were both fine once I told them what the law actually was and how I had no idea how the other store let them do this.

I asked the customer today (just 5 minutes ago) when he signed the 4473 and DROS he was signing at my shop to start the 10 day wait. He told me that he signed both docs at the store when he picked up his shotgun and at that particular store he was a "regular".

What's the secret sauce I'm missing?

I've had people who've moved in from out of state be surprised that there is a wait, but never someone who's bought a gun before in California. To volunteer the fact that someone is breaking the law for them seems rather odd to say the least.

[Santa Cruz Armory]

The scenario he explained was that this was the first long gun he purchased from the store and that one of the store owners told him long guns don't have a 10 day wait.. The only reason I believe it was an owner is that he told me the name of the person.

Here's me theory of what happened:
1) owner of store knows the guy and so ran his DROS with information on file from last transaction (assuming address and everything was all up-to-date)
2) when buyer comes in the 4473 and DROS are all pre-filled out and he asks the buyer sign here, here, and here, date this 10 days ago, date this today, can I get your thumbprint here, etc...

So the "cooling" off period already occurred, but I would assume if DOJ audited during that time period they would ask how the DROS was started without the customer's signature or thumbprint..

Although, maybe there's some obscure PC I'm missing as well..

Just plain stupid!

Is a 10 day wait really worth the drama that can be caused by doing this??



Do we know what town this FFL is in?

[halifax]

Can't think of any reasonable explanation for this. That dealer is either really, really stupid or has very large cojones.

[Rigmarole]

Those customers better be carful with that. Could be some type of sting or setup. and if not, they are clearly breaking the law. You should consider reporting it. Don't want guns falling into the wrong hands and end up having more gun laws because the dealer didn't do the 10 day waiting period.

Even the the CA background check is based on the NICS system which is an instant check. The govt knows right away whether the buyer is a go/no go. The waiting period is just a BS "cooling off" period that only punishes law-abiding citizens.

I am not suggesting that the dealer in question should break the rules, but lets not kid ourselves in thinking that the waiting period actually prevents guns from getting into the "wrong hands".

[Santa Cruz Armory]

If the OP wants to disclose what shop it is, I'll take a PM. I wonder if it's an employee that's doing it? if so the owner should definitely know. His/ her license could be in jeopardy. Possibly even fine or jail time.