Selling gun not registered

[Retriever Believer]

Someone I know (person A) bought a pistol a couple of years ago from the original purchaser (person B) of the gun. The gun was not "drosed" through an FFL. Now person A wants to sell the pistol legally to a third person. Will he have any problem since the gun was never registered in his ( person A's) name? Will there be any fall-back on the original purchaser ( person B) since he sold it without going through an FFL?

I apologize if this question has been asked and answered before.

Thank you.

[ke6guj]

Someone I know (person A) bought a pistol a couple of years ago from the original purchaser (person B) of the gun. The gun was not "drosed" through an FFL. Now person A wants to sell the pistol legally to a third person. Will he have any problem since the gun was never registered in his ( person A's) name?

no.

Will there be any fall-back on the original purchaser ( person B) since he sold it without going through an FFL?
.

no.

for the most part CADOJ knows that unpapered transfers happen and they can't really stop them. They just want the new transfer to be done legally through an FFL.

If they gave person A a hard time when he tried to legally PPT to buyer C, then Person A would then just do another paperless transfer and it would forever a unpapered gun. they don't want that.

[Jeepers]

anyone know what the S.O.L. is on a "paperless" transfer ?

[Librarian]

anyone know what the S.O.L. is on a "paperless" transfer ?

It's a misdemeanor - 3 years, IIRC. But worrying about a statute of limitations requires a crime first, and we strongly discourage folks from committing crimes in the first place.

[Jeepers]

It's a misdemeanor - 3 years, IIRC. But worrying about a statute of limitations requires a crime first, and we strongly discourage folks from committing crimes in the first place.

not worried myself but the OP said it was done "couple of years ago"

[Mssr. Eleganté]

anyone know what the S.O.L. is on a "paperless" transfer ?

Some illegal paperless transfers are misdemeanors with a one year SOL. Some illegal paperless transfers are felonies with a three year SOL. Figuring out if an illegal paperless transfer is a felony or a misdemeanor is so complicated that I gave up trying to figure it out.

[Eagerquest]

I noticed that the original thread question/answer was posted in 2012. Is this still valid information for 2017? Thanks.

[ArmsUnlimited]

It is still valid information.

So long as the gun is not reported stolen there will be no issues on a PPT

[rauldelga]

Does this apply to off roster hand guns as well? Example, friend moved into the state and illegally imported his handguns (didn't know the laws..just brought them over a few years ago). Should he decide to sell through an FFL PPT, i'd imagine he would get in trouble for bringing the firearms into California?

[Librarian]

Does this apply to off roster hand guns as well? Example, friend moved into the state and illegally imported his handguns (didn't know the laws..just brought them over a few years ago). Should he decide to sell through an FFL PPT, i'd imagine he would get in trouble for bringing the firearms into California?

No, probably not.

Should register them when you get here, but see the wiki article on registration - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...s_Registration

After about a hundred years of required registration - roughly 2091 for handguns, 2114 for long guns - it might be reasonable to expect guns to be registered.

He actually can register them 'late' without penalty.

[TJW]

Does this apply to off roster hand guns as well? Example, friend moved into the state and illegally imported his handguns (didn't know the laws..just brought them over a few years ago). Should he decide to sell through an FFL PPT, i'd imagine he would get in trouble for bringing the firearms into California?

Nope

[TJW]

It is still valid information.

So long as the gun is not reported stolen there will be no issues on a PPT

Yup

[Cokebottle]

It is still valid information.

So long as the gun is not reported stolen there will be no issues on a PPT

This is the only concern.

If Party "B" finds out that "A" sold the gun and wanted first crack at it, since the transfer was not documented, he COULD potentially report it stolen, then Party "A" and the new owner have a problem.

While I certainly prefer and support free-state FTF transfers, the DROS does afford some protection that you don't normally have with a private property sale.

[CSACANNONEER]

not worried myself but the OP said it was done "couple of years ago"

Well, just 3 1/2 years ago, paperless transfers of C&R long guns were perfectly legal in CA. So, maybe "a couple" was 3-5 years ago?????

[ArmsUnlimited]

There is NO legal requirement to register guns when you move into CA, keyword is "voluntary" registration. (do not bring assault weapons into CA)