What are the current lock requirements?

[ept000]

I am the buyer in a PPT right now. The FFL told me that when I pick up the pistol I need to provide a lock. I tell him I want to fill out a safe exemption form (that's what he called it). He says that form doesn't apply to handguns, only long guns. So I tell him I will bring in one of my locks when I pick up the gun. He says that won't work either because the lock must have been purchased within the last 30 days to qualify.

Now I figured he was trying to force me to buy a lock from him but then he says to go to the sheriff's department and get a free one. I'm told it will be legal as long as they write a date on the lock when I pick it up.

The sheriff on duty had never heard of any of this, but gave me a lock anyways, and she wrote the date on it.

So what's the deal? Is any of this true?

[Librarian]

It's all true - your FFL actually sounds like s/he understands.

See the wiki article section on locks - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...es.2C_and_Laws

[ept000]

Well I'll be darned. Thanks for the link.

[five.five-six]

the law simply states that you must have purchased a lock within 30 days. there is no mention as to not returning the lock. in practice, all you need is a current receipt from wall-mart for a ca approved lock

[ept000]

Good point. Thank you.

[Black Tiger]

I think it just happens when you buy your weapon through FFLs. I purchased my handgun yesterday from Target Masters West (Milpitas, CA) and I just filled out the Affidavit Stating Ownership of a DOJ-Certified Lock Box form. And I need to bring the form and the case on the day I pick up my weapon.

I am the buyer in a PPT right now. The FFL told me that when I pick up the pistol I need to provide a lock. I tell him I want to fill out a safe exemption form (that's what he called it). He says that form doesn't apply to handguns, only long guns. So I tell him I will bring in one of my locks when I pick up the gun. He says that won't work either because the lock must have been purchased within the last 30 days to qualify.

[kemasa]

You need a receipt for the CA requirement. I don't know that a date written on the lock would qualify, although it might.

The Feds have not published the requirements, which is an issue. The BATF attorney told me that the FFL has to provide the lock or the safe, which is a bit warped reading of the law in my opinion.

So, if you don't have a receipt for the lock you can do the affidavit. The lock is for the Feds and the affidavit is for CA.

The affidavit does not work for the Feds (maybe, since they have not done what they are required to do).

[Librarian]

The BATF attorney told me that the FFL has to provide the lock or the safe, which is a bit warped reading of the law in my opinion.

That interpretation would require a handgun buyer (who, reasonably, prefers a safe to locks) to buy a new safe with every handgun, rather than buy one safe that can securely accommodate several dozen handguns. Warped, indeed.

[ept000]

That interpretation would require a handgun buyer (who, reasonably, prefers a safe to locks) to buy a new safe with every handgun, rather than buy one safe that can securely accommodate several dozen handguns. Warped, indeed.

Agreed.

[kemasa]

That interpretation would require a handgun buyer (who, reasonably, prefers a safe to locks) to buy a new safe with every handgun, rather than buy one safe that can securely accommodate several dozen handguns. Warped, indeed.

It goes beyond that since he said that the FFL has to provide the lock or safe, not the seller, not the buyer.

I suspect that the law is so poorly written and confusing is why they have to published the requirements, as required, instead they are ignoring it. This puts FFLs in a bad situation since they have to deal with the law and a lack of information of what exactly it means.

[Dark Sky Solutions]

Can someone please give me the actual law that states this? I just did a PPT for a long gun and I traded for a long gun. The shop made both myself and the other party purchase a lock. They said it didn't matter if I had a safe or not. All weapons long gun or handgun are required to provide or buy a lock within 30 days of transfer/purchase of any weapon.

I didn't think this sounded correct but just put up with yet again another $5 charge on top of the PPT fee.

[Librarian]

Can someone please give me the actual law that states this? I just did a PPT for a long gun and I traded for a long gun. The shop made both myself and the other party purchase a lock. They said it didn't matter if I had a safe or not. All weapons long gun or handgun are required to provide or buy a lock within 30 days of transfer/purchase of any weapon.

I didn't think this sounded correct but just put up with yet again another $5 charge on top of the PPT fee.

See the link in post #2.

The safe affidavit is still good for California. The Feds added a lock requirement for handguns, and BATFE will not accept the CA safe affidavit. But since the Fed law does not address long guns, the safe affidavit is sufficient for them.

[ept000]

Here is the link that was provided to me.

See the wiki article section on locks - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...es.2C_and_Laws

[Dark Sky Solutions]

Librarian,

Thank you for pointing out the obvious!!!!! I should have clicked the link in your post as they are always full of information everyone should know.

Exactly what i was looking for. I am going to argue this point and try to get my $5 on the principal of the situation.

See the link in post #2.

The safe affidavit is still good for California. The Feds added a lock requirement for handguns, and BATFE will not accept the CA safe affidavit. But since the Fed law does not address long guns, the safe affidavit is sufficient for them.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

If the handgun in question has an internal lock, like S&W revolvers and H&K USP's, does that meet the Fed requirement and thus allow the use of a safe affidavit for CA compliance?