Just a Rant!

[Dingoguns]

For the record, I'm new at this, so don't come down too hard on me!

If this were, say, an AR-15 and it was listed as a RAW, is there any way to remove it's RAW status (say by installing a BB or going featureless), report that this was done and thereby make it legal for the son to inherit?

I have a friend whose father has such a RAW and he is not doing very well health-wise. I was under the impression that something along these lines could be done... but it might be so much FUD for all I know.

[efillc]

This is why we need to hurry and get the CAL-FFL boards up and running. You will be able to vent and not have the peanut gallery blow things out of proportion.

You are more than welcome to vent here, as we do understand and sympathize, even if we don't feel your pain:

http://www.fflonly.com/forum/index.php

[tenpercentfirearms]

For the record, I'm new at this, so don't come down too hard on me!

If this were, say, an AR-15 and it was listed as a RAW, is there any way to remove it's RAW status (say by installing a BB or going featureless), report that this was done and thereby make it legal for the son to inherit?

I have a friend whose father has such a RAW and he is not doing very well health-wise. I was under the impression that something along these lines could be done... but it might be so much FUD for all I know.

It is possible if the RAW is not a category 1 or 2 RAW that is listed by make and model number. If listed by make and model number, then no, it can not be deactivated.

[DEPUTYBILL]

Not an FFL,but could the person that inherited a RAW take it apart and dispose of the serial#ed lower(assuming a colt ar-15) and keep or sell all the parts,or assemble a rifle with a non RAW lower?

[JagerDog]

It is possible if the RAW is not a category 1 or 2 RAW that is listed by make and model number. If listed by make and model number, then no, it can not be deactivated.

That's what I was thinking. If listed, an OLL could be installed too I'd gather? Would any or all of this require an AW FFL to perform the mods? I'd guess there's some paperwork required to get it off the AW status?

Most AW's were listed TMK. EBR's were mostly Colt and Bushmaster (and Olympic???). OLL's came out later as a cottage industry as a result of case law.

I never registered my Bushmaster. Instead I took it to OR for storage. Eventually I bought a complete lower, swapped it in and brought it to CA. The Bushmaster lower is still in OR.

As the generation that had the opportunity to register an AW age, this question will become more popular. Some complete guidance would be beneficial.

[joefrank64k]

Does this "fail-sauce" come in different flavors?

[halifax]

Does this "fail-sauce" come in different flavors?

It's all bitter

[shark92651]

We had something similar today as well. A customer transferred in a Colt AR15-A3 with a magazine lock to us. When we tried to explain that it was an AW in California he argued with us that it wasn't because there was "a court case" that changed that. We tried to explain the difference between type 1, 2, & 3 AWs and how Harrott applies to Type 2 only and showed him the flow chart. We asked him if he saw his model listed in the appendix he said "doesn't matter, you aren't going to transfer it to me anyway"

I can understand a customer being disappointed, stubborn, or frustrated when they hear that their new firearm is illegal.

[Dingoguns]

It is possible if the RAW is not a category 1 or 2 RAW that is listed by make and model number. If listed by make and model number, then no, it can not be deactivated.

Nope, its an off-list lower, but he had it registered as an AW for some reason. He was law enforcement, so maybe that had something to do with it, but I'm not sure.

As the son is not at his best right now due to his Dad's condition, I've taken it upon myself to pursue this issue for him. What should I tell him about getting this otherwise compliant rifle off of it's RAW status? Obviously it needs a mag lock or to be made featureless... do I need to take it to an AW dealer to have this done? Or can I do the necessary mods myself and send in some form of paperwork as an 01, since the BB is (I would assume) a drop-in part?

Don't worry, I'm not about to touch it until I get some feedback here.

[Dingoguns]

Anyone?

Dang it, looks like I may have to do this the hard way and actually call DOJ. *sigh*

[kemasa]

The easy solution is to replace the lower and be done with it.

I am not sure, but I don't believe that you can make the changes since you are not an AW dealer. The firearm can not be transferred since it is a RAW, which means that the son can't make the changes. I suspect that the DOJ will say that it has to be turned over to the police.

[itisagoodname]

You did the right thing.

With guns being in the spotlight lately you wouldnt want to do anything to affect your business. You may not have had all the correct information but you gave him the resource of someone who should. I was given some baaaaad information before from a shop and i'm sure their *** would be hurting if i happened to have been a LEO or at all affiliated with the DOJ or BATF.

His attitude will land him in a world of trouble someday. That's not something for you to worry about, you did your part.

[ke6guj]

The easy solution is to replace the lower and be done with it.

I am not sure, but I don't believe that you can make the changes since you are not an AW dealer. The firearm can not be transferred since it is a RAW, which means that the son can't make the changes. I suspect that the DOJ will say that it has to be turned over to the police.

I don't see why the son couldn't go to the dad's house and disassemble the RAW into parts and then leave the RAW receiver with the dad and then go out and buy a new OLL to re-assemble the parts. There would be no transfer since the father still had possession of the RAW component.

OR, the son could install a maglock into the RAW for his father while at the father's house and then fill out the "no longer a RAW" NLIP paperwork and have the father sign it and mail it in.

In either scenario above, no transfer took place while it was a RAW so it shouldn't be a violation.

[kemasa]

I don't see why the son couldn't go to the dad's house and disassemble the RAW into parts and then leave the RAW receiver with the dad and then go out and buy a new OLL to re-assemble the parts. There would be no transfer since the father still had possession of the RAW component.

To quote a TV show: He's dead Jim.

I don't think that the father still has or can have possession.

OR, the son could install a maglock into the RAW for his father while at the father's house and then fill out the "no longer a RAW" NLIP paperwork and have the father sign it and mail it in.

Signing might be a slight problem (see above).

In either scenario above, no transfer took place while it was a RAW so it shouldn't be a violation.

Yes, assuming one small minor detail, which is: "He's dead Jim".

[ke6guj]

Anyone?

Dang it, looks like I may have to do this the hard way and actually call DOJ. *sigh*

The easy solution is to replace the lower and be done with it.

I am not sure, but I don't believe that you can make the changes since you are not an AW dealer. The firearm can not be transferred since it is a RAW, which means that the son can't make the changes. I suspect that the DOJ will say that it has to be turned over to the police.

To quote a TV show: He's dead Jim.

I don't think that the father still has or can have possession.



Signing might be a slight problem (see above).



Yes, assuming one small minor detail, which is: "He's dead Jim".

I was commenting on your post that followed Dingoguns, so I assumed you were responding to him. In his situation, the father is still alive.

For the record, I'm new at this, so don't come down too hard on me!

If this were, say, an AR-15 and it was listed as a RAW, is there any way to remove it's RAW status (say by installing a BB or going featureless), report that this was done and thereby make it legal for the son to inherit?

I have a friend whose father has such a RAW and he is not doing very well health-wise. I was under the impression that something along these lines could be done... but it might be so much FUD for all I know.

Nope, its an off-list lower, but he had it registered as an AW for some reason. He was law enforcement, so maybe that had something to do with it, but I'm not sure.

As the son is not at his best right now due to his Dad's condition, I've taken it upon myself to pursue this issue for him. What should I tell him about getting this otherwise compliant rifle off of it's RAW status? Obviously it needs a mag lock or to be made featureless... do I need to take it to an AW dealer to have this done? Or can I do the necessary mods myself and send in some form of paperwork as an 01, since the BB is (I would assume) a drop-in part?

Don't worry, I'm not about to touch it until I get some feedback here.