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  • Santa Cruz Armory
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 4357

    FFL Cheat sheet for transfers

    Ok, So I've seen a bunch of threads lately about folks looking for answers on various aspects of the FFL/PPT transfer process.

    IMHO Dealers need a cheat sheet for all the steps/requirements for a transfer. One for long gun and one for hand gun. Is anyone down to make one? I'm new to the game and I would love for one of the vets (Wes, Kemasa, ZirconJohn,EBR, etc.) to outline it for me and other FFLs, as well as for customers.

    I just got the final piece of the puzzle so I can do transfers and the thought of my first transfer scares the crap outta me. There are so many FLIPPING rules and exceptions for different things and Fed vs State stuff that my head is swimming. I REALLY don't wanna make a mistake!

    That said. Does anyone have, or is anyone interested in making a cheat sheet for transfers?

    Thanks a ton!

    Here is a draft from another Calgunner (mcgill). Please provide suggestions as needed.

    1) Buyer completes his/her portion of 4473 electronically
    2) FFL completes remainder of 4473
    3) FFL prints 4473 and staples
    4) Buyer signs and dates 4473 (16 and 17)
    5) FFL sets 4473 aside
    6) FFL completes electronic DROS and electronically submit (Note gun lock model # on the firearm comments line)
    7) DROS, if accepted, will send back completed form on the screen with DROS number
    8) FFL Print DROS
    9) Buyer signs and puts thumbprint on back of DROS form
    10) FFL signs and fills in his part of DROS including COE and phone number
    11) FFL enter DROS info on 4473 (21a, 21b)
    12) FFL collects firearm payment, DROS fee and sales tax
    13) FFL provides pickup date and time on DROS
    14) Wait 10 days/240 hours and/or until buyer returns; check DROS for denial
    15) FFL fills-in 21c. Check the Proceed box. DOJ will only contact DROS is denied or delayed
    16) Assuming no denial; Buyer signs and dates 4473 (24 and 25)
    17) FFL follows all rules on locks/ safe affidavit, HSC, and safe handling demo
    18) FFL gives buyer firearm and copy of DROS
    19) FFL completes 4473 26-30b. Notes in 30c that lock is provided with firearm and model # of lock
    20) FFL makes A&D entry and files 4473 and DROS
    Last edited by Santa Cruz Armory; 08-29-2011, 10:48 PM.
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  • #2
    ke6guj
    Moderator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Nov 2003
    • 23725

    already answered in the other thread where you asked this:
    Originally posted by ke6guj
    Originally posted by halifax
    Jack



    Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

    No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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    • #3
      Santa Cruz Armory
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 4357

      You caught me. I was gonna paste that here to add to.
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      • #4
        EBR Works
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Dec 2007
        • 10492

        Originally posted by BLFD1
        6) FFL completes electronic DROS and electronically submit

        19) FFL completes 4473 26-30b. Notes in 30c that lock is provided with firearm and serial # of lock
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        I include the lock model # on the firearm comments line on the DROS screen.

        On #19, I assume we're talking about model #, not serial number? I have been using the GL710NSSF locks and they have no serial number.

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        • #5
          tenpercentfirearms
          Vendor/Retailer
          • Apr 2005
          • 13007

          Contact RK Enterprises and ask for their DROS checklist. Or I do believe I received permission to forward it on and I have it too.
          www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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          • #6
            EBR Works
            Vendor/Retailer
            • Dec 2007
            • 10492

            Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
            Contact RK Enterprises and ask for their DROS checklist. Or I do believe I received permission to forward it on and I have it too.
            I used RK's checklist for the first few transactions and it helped. You won't need it once you get the process committed to memory.

            My first DROS was a PPT to my wife. Even though totally unnecessary, it was just to practice the procedure.
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            • #7
              mcgill
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2009
              • 76

              A cheat sheet is the way I'm headed. I bought the items from RK, including the gun sale checklist. RK folks are very nice and helpful. The items I bought and the checklist are a good start. The steps relating the 4473 and DROS with the transfer process are best understood by me through the "cheat sheet." For those who've done it 100s of times, it might be unnecessary. For newer FFLs, I haven't found any clearer description.

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              • #8
                kemasa
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jun 2005
                • 10706

                Originally posted by EBR Works
                I used RK's checklist for the first few transactions and it helped. You won't need it once you get the process committed to memory.
                I would suggest still using it. While I know the process from memory, it really helps to avoid forgetting something, like the stupid tag on the trigger guard.
                Kemasa.
                False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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                • #9
                  Santa Cruz Armory
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 4357

                  Where can I find the requirements for a military transactions? (mil. ID, orders, etc.) I want to print them out to put in my cheat sheet collection
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                  • #10
                    curvejunkie
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 816

                    Hey, Is there any reason I cant log the lock type and number on the safe handling demo affidavit?

                    Our policy is that when a handgun comes in, the box is loaded with the atf child safety booklet and the affidavit to be signed when it is picked up. Thats where we are logging down the lock type/#. Does it have to be on the dros?
                    Robert
                    Elite Arms and Supply
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                    209-823-4400


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                    • #11
                      allpoint
                      Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 209

                      Originally posted by BLFD1
                      Where can I find the requirements for a military transactions? (mil. ID, orders, etc.) I want to print them out to put in my cheat sheet collection
                      No Right to Police Protection

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                      • #12
                        Southpaw
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 77

                        Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                        Contact RK Enterprises and ask for their DROS checklist. Or I do believe I received permission to forward it on and I have it too.
                        I ordered some items from RK Enterprises last month and they stated they were selling their business. Would be a great business for a fellow Calguns member

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                        • #13
                          Santa Cruz Armory
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 4357

                          Linky no work...
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                          • #14
                            ke6guj
                            Moderator
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 23725

                            Originally posted by BLFD1
                            Linky no work...
                            only takes a moment to fix the URL yourself, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=327217
                            Jack



                            Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                            No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                            • #15
                              EBR Works
                              Vendor/Retailer
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 10492

                              So, is there a requirement to enter lock make/model on the 4473? I have been given conflicting information about this? It's obviously required on the DROS submission.


                              Check out our e-commerce site here:

                              www.ebrworks.com

                              Serving you from Prescott, AZ

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