Multi-Longgun Reporting

[mag360]

i bought 3 complete lowers, and then 5 mins later I bought the uppers. good? thx.

[DJMajors]

is the purchase date the day it's paid for or theay its picked up

[BannedinBritain]

is the purchase date the day it's paid for or theay its picked up

The "purchase" for any reporting purposes is when you pick up your firearm.

[dachan]

Just went to the local PO to pick up my certified letter and they couldn't find it; so I just left them the Notice of Delivery slip (unsigned) and told them to contact me if they are able to find it.

[bohoki]

they really should have specified "excluding rimfire" instead of the .22 cause i have a feeling that is what was intended

[BannedinBritain]

Wonder what this will all do for the popularity of .17 HMR...lol

[CharlesV]

Letter posted here: http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-at...h-home-visits/

There is no law, they tried to codify this into law but CONgress removed the long gun tracking requirement from the bill: http://www.guns.com/gun-control-advo...e-funding.html

Apparently they don't need no stinking laws; they're gonna do it anyway for long guns AND handguns. Reports out of Texas indicate that ATF agents are visiting buyers of multiple long gun purchases at home...

I read the article. Instead of a lawsuit why cant Congress revisit the matter in the form of a hearing to bar the ATF from circumventing Congress' position? Or, is it supposed that Congress knew this would happen and is deliberately staying out of it? What im asking is why injunctive relief isnt coming from the top, why does there have to be a lawsuit from the bottom? Is it also supposed that a revolt to this by 8500 FFL would result in revocation of licences which is the truer aim of the ATF (no more FFLs, no more gun sales)? Is ATF deliberately taunting FLLs to test ATFs/Obama's ability to further create a police state?

[kemasa]

Now the question is what is a detachable magazine and more importantly what is "greater than .22". My definition of great than .22 is .23 and so .223 would not count, despite their little attemp with the parenthesis. If they want to be more specific, they need to state .220, but that brings .22 LR into the fold.

Well, if you look at simple math, anything greater than .22 would be something like .220001, so it is quite clear that .223 is greater than .22, at least the last I checked. Just because .22 has two digits does not mean that you can ignore a third digit. Of course, you could round down and have 0. or 1 (for anything .50 cal and over).

In this case, they are specific enough, but based on what I heard, I am not sure of how they are managing to do this at all.

[ke6guj]

Well, if you look at simple math, anything greater than .22 would be something like .220001, so it is quite clear that .223 is greater than .22, at least the last I checked. Just because .22 has two digits does not mean that you can ignore a third digit. Of course, you could round down and have 0. or 1 (for anything .50 cal and over).

In this case, they are specific enough, but based on what I heard, I am not sure of how they are managing to do this at all.

I seem to recall there being a term, "signiificant figures" or something like that. If you list the dimension as .22", then anything from .215" to .224" would be considered .22" with rounding. If you list the dimesion as .220" then it would be .2195" to .2205". So, .223/5.56 is a .22 caliber round, but it is not a .220 caliber round.


based on that, it could easily be argued that ATF was telling the FFL that .223/5.56 are included in the ".22 calibers", and that every thing greater than .22 must be reported.

[BannedinBritain]

based on that, it could easily be argued that ATF was telling the FFL that .223/5.56 are included in the ".22 calibers", and that every thing greater than .22 must be reported.

.223 and 5.56mm are specifically included as required to report in the letter sent out by ATF in a parenthetical notation next to the general description anyways...so the question is moot.

[donbing]

5.45

So, 5.45x39 sounds good to go.

[kemasa]

I seem to recall there being a term, "signiificant figures" or something like that. If you list the dimension as .22", then anything from .215" to .224" would be considered .22" with rounding. If you list the dimesion as .220" then it would be .2195" to .2205". So, .223/5.56 is a .22 caliber round, but it is not a .220 caliber round.

based on that, it could easily be argued that ATF was telling the FFL that .223/5.56 are included in the ".22 calibers", and that every thing greater than .22 must be reported.

If you stated that it was to 2 significant digits, you might have something, but it is not stated and it specifically states that .223 is included. You do not have the degree of accuracy listed either.

Look, the whole thing is stupid, but trying to play games with the numbers make the people doing it look bad/foolish. You honestly want to tell someone with a straight face that a .223 is not greater than a .22, especially when it is specifically listed that it is included?

[BannedinBritain]

So, 5.45x39 sounds good to go.

That would be accurate...5.45 would not fall under the "reportable" category.

Smith & Wesson M&P-15R Rifle 5.45x39

Arsenal Inc Saiga AK-74 Rifle 5.45x39

Wanna bet these get pretty darn popular? lol

[jokat989]

got to love the so called "experts" in the atf

[kemasa]

Ok, so has anyone seen this document?

http://www.atf.gov/firearms
/industry/072911-qa-multiple-rifles.pdf

Please note Q3.

Q3. Are rifles equipped with parts/accessories that encase/enclose the magazine release button (i.e. “bullet button”) required to be reported?
A3. Yes. Firearrms with parts and/or accessories that allow the exchange of removable (including clip or drum-type) magazines meet the reporting requirements for certain rifles. Contact the Firearms Industry Programs Branch at (202) 648-7190

I called the number and was told that the other letter no longer applies. Seems quite political.