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  • EBR Works
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Dec 2007
    • 10492

    eForm 4473 - keep instruction pages?

    We're using ATF's eForm application to do the 4473 on a PC and I'm wondering if ATF requires FFL retention of pages 4-6 since they are just instructions on how to fill out the form. Anybody know?
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    halifax
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 4440

    I can't quote the actual law but I do remember reading that when I was checking-out the e4473. ALL pages must be printed and retained.
    Jim


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    • #3
      EBR Works
      Vendor/Retailer
      • Dec 2007
      • 10492

      Too bad since the pages are just dead space in the records binder. What else was I expecting...


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      • #4
        KeithB
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 35

        yes, have to print all pages

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        • #5
          tenpercentfirearms
          Vendor/Retailer
          • Apr 2005
          • 13007

          On the paper 4473 I was told to keep the instructions, but could 86 that blank page.
          www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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          • #6
            Gowking
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2008
            • 2664

            So do you see a real advantage to using the e4473 then if you have to cover the paper and ink costs to do so?

            -G

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            • #7
              EBR Works
              Vendor/Retailer
              • Dec 2007
              • 10492

              Obviously it costs something to print them on our laser printer. We have a notebook for them to fill it out as well but we already had it to use for this and other functions. The advantage to the eForm that I see is the client cannot make a mistake. The software won't allow an incomplete form or incorrectly formatted responses. Being from an IT background, I prefer electronic entry of everything.


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              • #8
                ron1950
                Member
                • May 2011
                • 203

                Originally posted by EBR Works
                Being from an IT background, I prefer electronic entry of everything.
                Haha so I have noticed....

                Looking forward to our next transaction.

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                • #9
                  EBR Works
                  Vendor/Retailer
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 10492

                  Originally posted by ron1950
                  Looking forward to our next transaction.
                  Your rifle is sitting here all warm in the safe ready for it's new home next week.


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                  • #10
                    BannedinBritain
                    Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 302

                    Originally posted by EBR Works
                    Obviously it costs something to print them on our laser printer. We have a notebook for them to fill it out as well but we already had it to use for this and other functions. The advantage to the eForm that I see is the client cannot make a mistake. The software won't allow an incomplete form or incorrectly formatted responses. Being from an IT background, I prefer electronic entry of everything.
                    One thing to watch for though is incorrect entry of information. Often I catch people entering nicknames or shortened versions of their full name on the computer. ID numbers are another source of trouble.

                    As the old saying goes..."garbage in, garbage out."

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                    • #11
                      GoingQuiet
                      Vendor/Retailer
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 2729

                      Originally posted by EBR Works
                      Obviously it costs something to print them on our laser printer. We have a notebook for them to fill it out as well but we already had it to use for this and other functions. The advantage to the eForm that I see is the client cannot make a mistake. The software won't allow an incomplete form or incorrectly formatted responses. Being from an IT background, I prefer electronic entry of everything.
                      ....but the software is TERRIBLE! How do you put up with it? I could NEVER get it to work right. On top of that, your average gun owner is barely tech savvy in my area so this would generate more problems than it would solve.
                      GoingQuiet.com, 07/02 FFL
                      Melbourne, FL
                      321-917-0760
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                      • #12
                        EBR Works
                        Vendor/Retailer
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 10492

                        So far have had about 20 guys use it without issues, almost all of them CalGunners. Maybe they are more computer friendly than the average guy on the street.


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                        • #13
                          kemasa
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 10706

                          Ignoring the cost, it is more of a pain to have the customer access the computer. Also, if you didn't have to print the instructions, it would make more sense (or if all the instructions could be printed on one page). You could save money by taking the instructions from the paper 4473 and attaching it to the printed version.
                          Kemasa.
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