Dros started. Can I add another rifle???

[drewman]

I have started the Dros process for 1 rifle that I am scheduled to pick-up this Friday. Since that was done, I have another rifle that I have purchased. This is being sent to the same FFL.

If process started as 1 rifle, can I add a second to rifle? Or, do I have to start
the Dros process on the second rifle?

Any response is much appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Drew

[ke6guj]

depends on the FFL. It is debatable whether or not the PC allows for rifles to be added to the DROS before the 4473 is finished. As such, some FFLs are willing to, and others won't. YOu'd have to ask YOUR FFL what his policy is.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Your FFL is the only person that will answer that question. I do it. Others don't.

[kemasa]

The CA PC states that it has to be part of a single loan, transfer or sale. Adding to it later is not part of "single", yet some like to try to re-define what single is (which is where the only "debate" is). While some do it, the CA DOJ say that it is not acceptable.

[ibt77]

not at turners

[tenpercentfirearms]

The CA PC states that it has to be part of a single loan, transfer or sale. Adding to it later is not part of "single", yet some like to try to re-define what single is (which is where the only "debate" is). While some do it, the CA DOJ say that it is not acceptable.

How long does a single sale last? Neither the DOJ nor Ken can answer that question. So I go from the federal definition that a sale concludes when the seller signs the 4473. So if you come into the shop, order a long gun and come back 7 days later and want another. That is all part of a single sale. When I sign the 4473, your single sale is over and you cannot add anymore firearms to your now closed transaction.

I have never heard of a single dealer being written up for adding long guns to a DROS, but the DOJ will claim you can't do it as they want you to spend as much money as possible on new DROSes.

[EBR Works]

Thanks for that explanation Wes.

[kemasa]

As I have said numerous times, you can not use anything from the Feds since they don't talk about a single sale at all and a firearm transaction is different for the Feds than the State. You report the sale by submitting the DROS (Dealer Record Of Sale). You reported the sale PERIOD. If you then add a firearm, that is NOT single. Unfortunately it is true that common sense is not common. Look at the definition of the word "single" and also look at what you are saying and clearly it does not apply to two different sales of firearms done at two different times and two different days. You might be able to get away with the same day, if the person does not leave, but it is not a single sale if it involves different days AND you report the "sale", listing only one firearm.

Yes, you can often get away with it as it is hard to prove what actually happened, but that does not make it legal, nor is it wise to promote such activity on a public forum. Also, just because you have never heard of someone getting written up does not mean that it has not happened. I also don't think that it is honest (in this case) that it is just a money issue. The DOJ follows (for the most part) the laws that are created. They do not make the laws, so complain to your elected politicians about the law and get it changed.

[tenpercentfirearms]

They do not make the laws, so complain to your elected politicians about the law and get it changed.

I'd rather just keep adding long guns at will since there is no state definition of when the transaction is over. The DOJ, my customers, and I have not complained to date. We just deal with it.

If you really want to be careful, just tell the customer they are going to buy 10 guns. Then when they change their mind and only buy 2, then your DROS form will even look nice and neat. We simply just cross the number out and write the correct number.

[drewman]

Thanks for all the response guys. I knew I could get the info I needed.

Went to my FFL and now have an answer.

Thanks again.

Drew

[kemasa]

Wes, you can do what you want, but you should not promote others to do what you are doing, which is putting your business at risk.

[ke6guj]

bottom line is that Wes is not the only FFL that does it. As I mentioned above, it is debatable whether or not it is prohibited. That is why the OP needed to ask his FFL to see what HIS policy was.

[kemasa]

Take a look at the freeways and you will see a lot of people breaking the law by speeding, so saying that others do it does not mean anything. The same is true for FFLs who don't collect sales tax.

Personally, I don't see that "debatable" aspect to it. There is a 10 day waiting period after selling a firearm (look at the CA PC), so if you add a long gun just before the firearms are delivered, you have a problem. You can't really claim that two firearms sold on different days are really part of a "single" sale. The CA DOJ says no as well. Some might want to debate what the word "single" means, but it is also dishonest to try to use Federal law to promote the position when "single" is not used and a firearm transaction is clearly different.

The only aspect is that FFLs get away with it.

[CharlesV]

I have a similar question as a buyer.
Lets pick a date, Aug 1. At one dealer on that date i will begin DROS of a handgun, followed by a second handgun, and included in this order is a longgun. The dealer will do all three and schedule the dates. My question is, at what date or in what period can i buy another longgun from another dealer?

[jtmkinsd]

I have a similar question as a buyer.
Lets pick a date, Aug 1. At one dealer on that date i will begin DROS of a handgun, followed by a second handgun, and included in this order is a longgun. The dealer will do all three and schedule the dates. My question is, at what date or in what period can i buy another longgun from another dealer?

There is no restriction on how many or when you may purchase long guns.