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  • #16
    tenpercentfirearms
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Apr 2005
    • 13007

    If the gun shop were smart, they would simply state they will start your DROS now and if you don't finish paying it off, they will keep all of your deposit.

    Personally, as long as I get about $50 down, I will start your DROS. If you bail out, I pay for the DROS and keep $25 and sell your gun to someone else.
    www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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    • #17
      creekside
      Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 423

      Originally posted by kemasa
      Yes, but the DOJ sent out in their letter to not submit the DROS if the handgun is not there. So, you might annoy the DOJ and if they happen to do an inspection, you could have problems. I am not sure that they could enforce it, but again, as others have said, is it worth the risk and the hassle if something goes wrong.
      I have a few stupid questions having to do with handgun DROS.

      1) Can a handgun DROS which is already in progress be transferred from one firearm to another? For example, the customer wants to buy a Glock 17, starts the DROS for that firearm, and then changes his mind and wants a Glock 26. For the sake of this example, the dealer has both in stock. Does the first DROS have to be cancelled and the second DROS started, or can the first DROS be salvaged?

      1a) Would it change the answer to 1) if the firearm were a change in make as well as model? I.e. a Smith & Wesson to a Ruger?

      2) Can a dealer start a handgun DROS with a placeholder, invalid or plausible SN and then use the correction form to insert the valid SN once it is known? For example, the dealer has the firearm but it just got received and is locked up in a safe the employee starting the DROS doesn't have access to; thus can't determine the SN. There's no intent to defraud as the "real" SN will be on the DROS before the handgun leaves the store.

      3) Is there actual state law or regulation saying that the handgun has to be at the dealer to start DROS, or is this another DOJ underground regulation?

      Thanks for any answers provided.

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      • #18
        kemasa
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jun 2005
        • 10706

        Originally posted by creekside
        I have a few stupid questions having to do with handgun DROS.

        1) Can a handgun DROS which is already in progress be transferred from one firearm to another? For example, the customer wants to buy a Glock 17, starts the DROS for that firearm, and then changes his mind and wants a Glock 26. For the sake of this example, the dealer has both in stock. Does the first DROS have to be cancelled and the second DROS started, or can the first DROS be salvaged?
        No, it would have to be cancelled and a new one submitted. The make, model and serial number has to be submitted and the ability to change it has been reduced.

        1a) Would it change the answer to 1) if the firearm were a change in make as well as model? I.e. a Smith & Wesson to a Ruger?
        Nope, no change.

        2) Can a dealer start a handgun DROS with a placeholder, invalid or plausible SN and then use the correction form to insert the valid SN once it is known? For example, the dealer has the firearm but it just got received and is locked up in a safe the employee starting the DROS doesn't have access to; thus can't determine the SN. There's no intent to defraud as the "real" SN will be on the DROS before the handgun leaves the store.
        No, that is illegal since it is submitting false information on the DROS. Intent (as you see it) does not matter in this case, it is still knowingly submitting false information.

        3) Is there actual state law or regulation saying that the handgun has to be at the dealer to start DROS, or is this another DOJ underground regulation?
        The FFL has to be sure of the serial number of the handgun and the only real way is if they actually see it. If a picture is sent, how does the FFL know that will be the actual firearm sent? The DOJ can set the rules and this is a bit of an underground regulation, in part because dealers were submitting fake serial numbers and then correcting them.
        Kemasa.
        False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

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        • #19
          creekside
          Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 423

          Kemasa, thank you for your time answering my questions. I appreciate the anti-FUD.

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