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I have purchased rifles and hand guns in the past but it has been awhile. My question is this. The retail dealer I am going through states that in order for him to start the DROS (and 10 day waiting period) the gun has to be fully paid for and in his possession from the supplier. So I put one half of the purchase price down on the handgun. He ordered the gun and received it 3 days later but will not start the dros until I have paid in full. Is this 100% the way it must be done? Or is he over reading the rules and applying his own interpretation. At this point it honestly won't make a difference in how the transaction goes. He has his way of doing business and I respect that. As with most things I just want the truth, and yes I can handle it.
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He can start DROS on rifles without a serial number. Handguns need to be in front of him to get the serial number in order to start the DROS. As for the money involved, most places that take special orders (guns not in stock) usually require money up front because it comes out of their pocket otherwise. He is probably just wanting to get 100% paid before starting the 10 days. I could be wrong....but this is my experience in buying. -
What you are dealing with is a store policy. There is no 100% way it must be done. If I want to demand payment before I lift a finger to process the transaction, then that's my right. I personally don't, but there's nothing wrong with it...except you have to pony up all the dough to get things moving.Originally posted by orangegloComment
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Thanks guys. I thought that it was possible that the "law" he stated he is following might actually be his policy. But I also think he believes he is following the law. It only affects me, making me wait longer to receive my new handgun. I know someday I might grow up and become patient. But right now I WANT MY NEW GUN.
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I suspect that he just wants to make sure that he is going to get paid. To me, getting enough money up front for a special order is important, enough that it is a nice deal for me if the person does not pay the rest. I will also start the DROS before it is completely paid for since I still have the firearm and won't finish the paperwork until I get paid as I can always cancel it.
The handgun does have to be in his possession to start the DROS to ensure that he has the actual serial number. Some time back the CA DOJ sent a letter about this, which I should find.Kemasa.
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If I told you the serial number of the firearm and all the info, then you could submit the DROS. If I sent you a picture, then it would make it easier, but neither are what the DOJ wants you to do.
It was an older FFL newletter, which might be on the website, but I have not had time to look.Kemasa.
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Hmmm, the newsletter would just confirm that you are supposed to wait until you had the firearm, not the other way around. I recall talking to the DOJ years ago and they did say that you could start it without the firearm, but you had to be sure that you had the correct information. I don't recall if that was before or after the letter. It used to be that FFLs would submit false information, wrong serial number, and then correct it. The DOJ did not seem to like that much and in fact, it could be considered illegal since the FFL knowingly submitted false information.Kemasa.
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I have vendors that will regularly email invoices with serial numbers on them and I have started a handgun dros before receiving the firearm. It is best that you have a reliable vendor, the firearm is well known and something you are used to ordering for roster reasons etc. and the customer had better be somebody you know will be eligible. All that said, I avoid doing it for the simple fact that I get handguns in two days anyway and I know my customer and myself are more comfortable in seeing, handling and dros'ing a firearm in my possession. It's two days, is it worth the potential heartburn ???Comment
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I figure if they're so damn impatient, they can walk into a gun shop and pick one off the wall to buy...I'm not going to risk getting into a pi$$ing match over a cancelled DROS because the serial number provided was wrong.
You can wait until I have the gun in front of me...if you can't, as I said...go somewhere where you can pull one off the wall and DROS it immediately.Originally posted by orangegloComment
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Yes, but the DOJ sent out in their letter to not submit the DROS if the handgun is not there. So, you might annoy the DOJ and if they happen to do an inspection, you could have problems. I am not sure that they could enforce it, but again, as others have said, is it worth the risk and the hassle if something goes wrong.Kemasa.
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