AOW FFL's

[1811]

Did a search...

I am looking for an FFL preferably in San Diego to transfer this -

SS-109

http://www.cadizgunworks.com/zcstore/

[CAL.BAR]

Don't know about San Diego. Mike Penhall at O.C. Armory in Laguna Hills can do it.

[n2k]

OC Armory

23012 Del Lago Drive
Suite B
Laguna Hills, CA 92653

[CSACANNONEER]

That is a SBS not an AOW. Since it's not an over 50 year old SBS, it's not legal in Ca.

[psssniper]

That is a SBS not an AOW. Since it's not an over 50 year old SBS, it's not legal in Ca.

In the description they do mention that they make an AOW version for Calif with their own receiver. OC Armory has one in the shop and can get them as AOW's

[CSACANNONEER]

In the description they do mention that they make an AOW version for Calif with their own receiver. OC Armory has one in the shop and can get them as AOW's

I missed that. As long as it can be transfered as an AOW, then , it's legal in Ca.

[n2k]

That is a SBS not an AOW. Since it's not an over 50 year old SBS, it's not legal in Ca.

I believe the CA SBS law exempts Federal AOW's:

Per Jack -

OK, you can get a SS from Serbu papered as either an SBS (you can put a shoulder stock on it federally) or as an AOW (must stay as a smooth-bore pistol).

The feds say that a smooth-bore pistol is an AOW. CA says that anything that shoots a fixed shotgun shell and is <26" OAL or has a <18" barrel is a CA-defined SBS, even if the feds call it an AOW. However, CA's SBS law has an exemption for those AOWs that are properly registered.

So, even though CA says it is an SBS, if it is an AOW, it is exempt from CA's SBS law.

[psssniper]

I'm still waffling on whether to get one or not........ Most likely gonna make the jump

[ke6guj]

Don't know about San Diego. Mike Penhall at O.C. Armory in Laguna Hills can do it.

yah, AFAIK, OCarmory is gonna be the southern-most SOT willing to transfer an AOW to the public. I think there might be a couple SOTs in the San Diego area, but don't know who they are, and if they are public-friendly at all.

I believe the CA SBS law exempts Federal AOW's:

Per Jack -

yes, an AOW would be exempt from CA's SBS law (but must still comply with the AW laws (and the Roster when initially transfered)). CSA's response was based on the federal SBS version (not realizing that they offered an AOW version as well).

[CSACANNONEER]

I believe the CA SBS law exempts Federal AOW's:

Per Jack -

There is a legal distiction between SBSs and AOWs. Ca law does not "exempt" AOWs, it allows them. It also allows +50 year old SBSs. It does not allow "modern" SBSs. I glanced at the description of the SS-109 and it clearly stated that it was a SBS. That would not be legal to bring into Ca. I missed were they were also offering a AOW of the same model. The difference is very important. Once a shotgun, always a shotgun. So, using a receiver which had a shoulder stock installed makes it a "shotgun". Using a virgin receiver which has never met the definition of "shotgun" would make it an AOW. (I'm not going into the memo floating around allowing for an AOW to be temporarily converted into a sporting shotgun and then returned to an AOW since, one would need their own letter from ATF to allow that).

[1811]

Thanks for all responses...

Short of finding one in SD, I'll be contacting OC Armory...

[ke6guj]

definitely give OCarmory a call. they already carry Cadiz gun works Saiga12 AOWs so they should be up to speed on them.

for something like that, having to drive from SD to OC a couple times shouldn't be a big deal. Not like having to drive that far to DROS a 10/22 or something.

[1811]

definitely give OCarmory a call. they already carry Cadiz gun works Saiga12 AOWs so they should be up to speed on them.

for something like that, having to drive from SD to OC a couple times shouldn't be a big deal. Not like having to drive that far to DROS a 10/22 or something.

Good point...

[n2k]

There is a legal distiction between SBSs and AOWs. Ca law does not "exempt" AOWs, it allows them. It also allows +50 year old SBSs. It does not allow "modern" SBSs. I glanced at the description of the SS-109 and it clearly stated that it was a SBS. That would not be legal to bring into Ca. I missed were they were also offering a AOW of the same model. The difference is very important. Once a shotgun, always a shotgun. So, using a receiver which had a shoulder stock installed makes it a "shotgun". Using a virgin receiver which has never met the definition of "shotgun" would make it an AOW. (I'm not going into the memo floating around allowing for an AOW to be temporarily converted into a sporting shotgun and then returned to an AOW since, one would need their own letter from ATF to allow that).

Doesn't this state that an "AOW" is exempt from CA SBS laws?

Quote:
12020(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(8) Any other weapon as defined in subsection (e) of Section 5845 of Title 26 of the United States Code and which is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the weapons pursuant to the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), as amended, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

[CSACANNONEER]

Doesn't this state that an "AOW" is exempt from CA SBS laws?

Quote:
12020(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(8) Any other weapon as defined in subsection (e) of Section 5845 of Title 26 of the United States Code and which is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the weapons pursuant to the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), as amended, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

Since an AOW has never been a shotgun, it can't be a SBS in the first place. So, the law can't really exempt them since, by their mere definition, they can not qualify as SBSs in the first place. Does that make any sense?