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  • 1811
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 2045

    AOW FFL's

    Did a search...

    I am looking for an FFL preferably in San Diego to transfer this -

    SS-109

    "Do you like RAP music?" - Axel Foley

    Originally posted by ysr_racer
    If you want a shotty, why not buy a Remy or a Mossy? That's what my mommy shoots.
  • #2
    CAL.BAR
    CGSSA OC Chapter Leader
    • Nov 2007
    • 5632

    Don't know about San Diego. Mike Penhall at O.C. Armory in Laguna Hills can do it.

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    • #3
      n2k
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 1513

      OC Armory

      23012 Del Lago Drive
      Suite B
      Laguna Hills, CA 92653

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      • #4
        CSACANNONEER
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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        • Dec 2006
        • 44093

        That is a SBS not an AOW. Since it's not an over 50 year old SBS, it's not legal in Ca.
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        • #5
          psssniper
          CGN Contributor
          • Oct 2005
          • 3060

          That is a SBS not an AOW. Since it's not an over 50 year old SBS, it's not legal in Ca.
          In the description they do mention that they make an AOW version for Calif with their own receiver. OC Armory has one in the shop and can get them as AOW's
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          • #6
            CSACANNONEER
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Dec 2006
            • 44093

            Originally posted by psssniper
            In the description they do mention that they make an AOW version for Calif with their own receiver. OC Armory has one in the shop and can get them as AOW's
            I missed that. As long as it can be transfered as an AOW, then , it's legal in Ca.
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            • #7
              n2k
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 1513

              Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
              That is a SBS not an AOW. Since it's not an over 50 year old SBS, it's not legal in Ca.
              I believe the CA SBS law exempts Federal AOW's:

              Per Jack -

              Originally posted by ke6guj
              OK, you can get a SS from Serbu papered as either an SBS (you can put a shoulder stock on it federally) or as an AOW (must stay as a smooth-bore pistol).

              The feds say that a smooth-bore pistol is an AOW. CA says that anything that shoots a fixed shotgun shell and is <26" OAL or has a <18" barrel is a CA-defined SBS, even if the feds call it an AOW. However, CA's SBS law has an exemption for those AOWs that are properly registered.

              So, even though CA says it is an SBS, if it is an AOW, it is exempt from CA's SBS law.

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              • #8
                psssniper
                CGN Contributor
                • Oct 2005
                • 3060

                I'm still waffling on whether to get one or not........ Most likely gonna make the jump
                "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness; I love only that which they defend.
                victus exaro somniculosus, somnus exaro ieiunium

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                • #9
                  ke6guj
                  Moderator
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 23725

                  Originally posted by djandj
                  Don't know about San Diego. Mike Penhall at O.C. Armory in Laguna Hills can do it.
                  yah, AFAIK, OCarmory is gonna be the southern-most SOT willing to transfer an AOW to the public. I think there might be a couple SOTs in the San Diego area, but don't know who they are, and if they are public-friendly at all.

                  Originally posted by n2k
                  I believe the CA SBS law exempts Federal AOW's:

                  Per Jack -
                  yes, an AOW would be exempt from CA's SBS law (but must still comply with the AW laws (and the Roster when initially transfered)). CSA's response was based on the federal SBS version (not realizing that they offered an AOW version as well).
                  Jack



                  Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                  No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                  • #10
                    CSACANNONEER
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 44093

                    Originally posted by n2k
                    I believe the CA SBS law exempts Federal AOW's:

                    Per Jack -
                    There is a legal distiction between SBSs and AOWs. Ca law does not "exempt" AOWs, it allows them. It also allows +50 year old SBSs. It does not allow "modern" SBSs. I glanced at the description of the SS-109 and it clearly stated that it was a SBS. That would not be legal to bring into Ca. I missed were they were also offering a AOW of the same model. The difference is very important. Once a shotgun, always a shotgun. So, using a receiver which had a shoulder stock installed makes it a "shotgun". Using a virgin receiver which has never met the definition of "shotgun" would make it an AOW. (I'm not going into the memo floating around allowing for an AOW to be temporarily converted into a sporting shotgun and then returned to an AOW since, one would need their own letter from ATF to allow that).
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                    • #11
                      1811
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 2045

                      Thanks for all responses...

                      Short of finding one in SD, I'll be contacting OC Armory...
                      "Do you like RAP music?" - Axel Foley

                      Originally posted by ysr_racer
                      If you want a shotty, why not buy a Remy or a Mossy? That's what my mommy shoots.

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                      • #12
                        ke6guj
                        Moderator
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 23725

                        definitely give OCarmory a call. they already carry Cadiz gun works Saiga12 AOWs so they should be up to speed on them.

                        for something like that, having to drive from SD to OC a couple times shouldn't be a big deal. Not like having to drive that far to DROS a 10/22 or something.
                        Jack



                        Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                        No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                        • #13
                          1811
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 2045

                          Originally posted by ke6guj
                          definitely give OCarmory a call. they already carry Cadiz gun works Saiga12 AOWs so they should be up to speed on them.

                          for something like that, having to drive from SD to OC a couple times shouldn't be a big deal. Not like having to drive that far to DROS a 10/22 or something.
                          Good point...
                          "Do you like RAP music?" - Axel Foley

                          Originally posted by ysr_racer
                          If you want a shotty, why not buy a Remy or a Mossy? That's what my mommy shoots.

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                          • #14
                            n2k
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 1513

                            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                            There is a legal distiction between SBSs and AOWs. Ca law does not "exempt" AOWs, it allows them. It also allows +50 year old SBSs. It does not allow "modern" SBSs. I glanced at the description of the SS-109 and it clearly stated that it was a SBS. That would not be legal to bring into Ca. I missed were they were also offering a AOW of the same model. The difference is very important. Once a shotgun, always a shotgun. So, using a receiver which had a shoulder stock installed makes it a "shotgun". Using a virgin receiver which has never met the definition of "shotgun" would make it an AOW. (I'm not going into the memo floating around allowing for an AOW to be temporarily converted into a sporting shotgun and then returned to an AOW since, one would need their own letter from ATF to allow that).
                            Doesn't this state that an "AOW" is exempt from CA SBS laws?

                            Quote:
                            12020(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
                            (8) Any other weapon as defined in subsection (e) of Section 5845 of Title 26 of the United States Code and which is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the weapons pursuant to the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), as amended, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

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                            • #15
                              CSACANNONEER
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 44093

                              Originally posted by n2k
                              Doesn't this state that an "AOW" is exempt from CA SBS laws?

                              Quote:
                              12020(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
                              (8) Any other weapon as defined in subsection (e) of Section 5845 of Title 26 of the United States Code and which is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the weapons pursuant to the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), as amended, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
                              Since an AOW has never been a shotgun, it can't be a SBS in the first place. So, the law can't really exempt them since, by their mere definition, they can not qualify as SBSs in the first place. Does that make any sense?
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