Gun Purchase Question C.A.

[Cokebottle]

And that again brings out the stupidity of some gun laws.

03FFL with a COE.... or even CCW.
Cleared background, fingerprints on file, already own guns.

Yet we still have to give a thumbprint and wait 10 days plus 1-in-30.

[kemasa]

And that again brings out the stupidity of some gun laws.

Yes, but it is not limited to gun laws.

03FFL with a COE.... or even CCW.
Cleared background, fingerprints on file, already own guns.

Yet we still have to give a thumbprint and wait 10 days plus 1-in-30.

If you have a C&R FFL and CA DOJ COE, then you are exempt from the 1-in-30, even for modern firearms.

[Cokebottle]

If you have a C&R FFL and CA DOJ COE, then you are exempt from the 1-in-30, even for modern firearms.

Ya, but you should be cash and carry.

You obviously aren't a criminal, and you already own guns, so there's no reason for either the background check or the "cooling off" period.

[tenpercentfirearms]

He's feeding you a line about it needing to be a "federal" ID.
The only kind of federal ID that those of us without passports have is our Social inSecurity card.

The primary ID (license or CAID) is to prove who you are.
The secondary ID is to prove residence, so it must be something with your address on it.
Acceptable IDs are your vehicle registration, utility bill (no cellphone), cable bill, and maybe a couple of other items.

This is possible FUD. If you are buying a long gun and your DL address does not match your 4473 address, you need specifically a government issued document that is valid. A utility bill will not work for the Feds. PERIOD!

If it is a handgun, then the utility bill would work for the state, but if your DL still doesn't match you will need the utility bill and still the government issued document.

Vehicle registration is the easiest because it satisfies both. A 03 C&R FFL would also satisfy both. A CCW also satisfies both. I would even accept a municipal water bill since that is a government issued document. Private company utility bills are a no.

[kemasa]

Yes, it should be cash and carry, but don't say that a person is not exempt from the 1-in-30 when they are.

Unless you are a violent felon, you should be able to purchase a firearm and walk away with it. I don't have much of a problem with an instant check to make sure that the person is not a criminal, but typically the implementation is a serious problem.

Ask why case law states that the police have no duty or obligation to protect you as an individual, yet they do not become responsible when they prevent your from protecting yourself by means of denying a CCW. We really need a voter's revolt and throw all the bums out and take control of OUR government, but sadly I don't think that this will ever happen as there are far too many sheeple.

[kemasa]

Ya, but you should be cash and carry.

You obviously aren't a criminal, and you already own guns, so there's no reason for either the background check or the "cooling off" period.

BTW, consider what you are saying. The only way that they know that you already own guns is if they keep track of them. Do you consider that acceptable? No reason for a background check? That means the government would need to keep track of all gun owners and when they are convicted of a crime, go out and take all of their guns. The person would need proof that they were a firearm owner, such as a license. Do you want that? What about non-criminals non-firearms owners?

The cooling off period is a joke and a bad one at that. It is not in the heat of passion, or whatever. Please explain how a person can get so upset and then be calm enough to drive to a firearms dealer without getting pulled over, then talk to the dealer in such a manner that they don't get thrown out, fill out all the paperwork and then drive back, again in such a manner in which they don't get pulled over, only to kill someone and claim that it was in the heat of the moment.

[Cokebottle]

BTW, consider what you are saying. The only way that they know that you already own guns is if they keep track of them. Do you consider that acceptable? No reason for a background check? That means the government would need to keep track of all gun owners and when they are convicted of a crime, go out and take all of their guns. The person would need proof that they were a firearm owner, such as a license. Do you want that? What about non-criminals non-firearms owners?

I was speaking specifically about the 03FFL/COE.

With that paperwork on file with the DOJ and the BATF, I would imagine that it wouldn't be long after a conviction that I would receive a certified letter demanding surrender of the documents.

No, the 03FFL/COE is not a guarantee that you already own guns, but honestly, how many are there that don't? It's pretty damned likely... but the main thing is that they cleared background to get those documents, and renewed them every 3 years (how often for the COE?).

Even a gun-grabber should agree that there should be no waiting period or (additional) background check on an FFL.

[trautert]

Quote:
Originally Posted by trautert View Post
"What about a state issued lifetime fishing or hunting license? Those come in the mail directly from DFG."

"possibly. In that case, it does sound like it would be an actual state-issued permit, instead of a permit issued by Billy Bob, on behalf of hte state. However, does a lifetime permit have a "a specified expiration date or period of validity"? Is "until I am dead" acceptable?"

"Fishing licenses are NOT acceptable as POR since it was not issued by the government. It was issued to you by Billy Bob at the local tackle shop."

A lifetime fishing license from the State of California is issued by the state of California, each year in January, and that document expires in December, to be replaced by another. They do not include age or other info of that ilk, but they come directly from the state and have your address on them.

By DOJ rules they should suffice.

[kemasa]

I was speaking specifically about the 03FFL/COE.

With that paperwork on file with the DOJ and the BATF, I would imagine that it wouldn't be long after a conviction that I would receive a certified letter demanding surrender of the documents.

No, the 03FFL/COE is not a guarantee that you already own guns, but honestly, how many are there that don't? It's pretty damned likely... but the main thing is that they cleared background to get those documents, and renewed them every 3 years (how often for the COE?).

Even a gun-grabber should agree that there should be no waiting period or (additional) background check on an FFL.

A C&R FFL with a COE has no waiting period for C&R firearms. It would make sense to have no waiting period for other firearms are well, but that is not what it is about.

Gun grabbers would not agree that there should be no waiting period. It is not about reality. I am sure that they would want a waiting period for all FFLs and a background check each time a firearm is sold. It is really about harassment.

The COE is renewed every year.

Non-criminals should not have to wait at all. There is a database of criminals, so you know who is a criminal and who is not.

[562Chicano]

Advice needed, about 15 years ago I was convicted of pc 12031, misd. No time served, no community serve, just a fine. can I still purchase a handgun in Crazifornia. Many have said it is not a disqualifier, but I think I read that somewhere if part of your probation was not to have a firearm during your probation you are not able to own/purchase a firearm again ? true or not true all replies welcomed.

[TripleT]

I still think the fire wood cutting permit, issued by the United States Forest Service, is the most unique POR I have run into. I just wonder if the USFS people realize what the permit could be used for...

[billslugg]

Here is the list of Firearms Prohibiting Categories and the list of misdemeanors that will get you banned. "Having had a probation condition prohibiting firearms" is not listed in the prohibited category. "Carrying a loaded firearm" is not listed in the disqualifying misdemeanors.

From the Attorney General:
You may request the Department of Justice to conduct a firearms eligibility background check by submitting a Personal Firearms Eligibility Check (PFEC) application to the Department of Justice. For more information about how to request a PFEC, please visit our PFEC FAQ section. Applications are also available through your local firearms dealer."