Gun Purchase Question C.A.

[The Blind Gunman]

So I have 8 days until I can pick up my firearm but the dealer said that I needed to show him federal ID. He told me to just show him my vehicle registration.

I'm still a little confused especially since I offered to show him my U.S. passport AND he refused. So couldn't I show him my birth certificate? What forms of a second form of I.D. would be acceptable?

Showing him my drivers license was fine but apparently I need a second form of I.D. when I pick up my firearm. Repeating myself - He wanted to see my vehicle registration.

I will give them a call in the morning but I can't get this out of my mind.

Thank you for your time and help.

[Cokebottle]

He's feeding you a line about it needing to be a "federal" ID.
The only kind of federal ID that those of us without passports have is our Social inSecurity card.

The primary ID (license or CAID) is to prove who you are.
The secondary ID is to prove residence, so it must be something with your address on it.
Acceptable IDs are your vehicle registration, utility bill (no cellphone), cable bill, and maybe a couple of other items.

[The Blind Gunman]

ohhh right on. thanks!

[The Blind Gunman]

question answered

[halifax]

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[ke6guj]

are you talking about buying a handgun or a long gun? If it is a handgun, you need to provide proof of residency. Here are the regulations that explain what is acceptable to CADOJ to prove POR, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter4.pdf .

Does you DL have your current address on it? If not, federal law would then require you to provide POR as well. That is covered in the instructions on the 4473, http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473.pdf

[The Blind Gunman]

oh cool. I can use my fishing permit as stated in chapter 4.

[ke6guj]

where do you see that in the POR regs? Do you mean a fishing license that you got from your local fishing store? Or is this an actual permit issued to you?

Fishing licenses are NOT acceptable as POR since it was not issued by the government. It was issued to you by Billy Bob at the local tackle shop.

edit: And there is a FAQ on this as well.

What documentation is acceptable to demonstrate proof of residency for handgun purchasers?


■Utility bill from within the past three months that bears on its face the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or

2.The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Utility bill" means a statement of charges for providing service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired telephone connection or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection) or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.

■Residential lease that bears the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form
or

2.The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Residential lease" means either of the following:

A.A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant)agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time
or

B.A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.
■Property deed the bears the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form
or

2.The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Property deed" means either or the following:

A.A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust
or

B.A valid Certificate of title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.
■Current, government-issued license, permit, or registration, other than a CA Driver License or CA Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form
or

2.The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
Examples of acceptable proof of residency:

1.Current DMV registrations.
2.Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name onit from within the last 3 months.
3.Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.

Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:

1.Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
2.Cellular phone bill.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs.php#33G

[The Blind Gunman]

I read that wrong.

[trautert]

What about a state issued lifetime fishing or hunting license? Those come in the mail directly from DFG.

[ke6guj]

What about a state issued lifetime fishing or hunting license? Those come in the mail directly from DFG.

possibly. In that case, it does sound like it would be an actual state-issued permit, instead of a permit issued by Billy Bob, on behalf of hte state. However, does a lifetime permit have a "a specified expiration date or period of validity"? Is "until I am dead" acceptable?

d. "Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice" means either of the following:
1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

It may take a call to CADOJ to find out. And in any case, your FFL will have to agree to accept it as well. Note that some/many FFLs will take items as POR that do not meet the state standard, so just cause so-and-so accepts them doesn't mean that it is correct.

[Cokebottle]

Likewise, we've got another thread where a guy has used his cable bill as POR in the past, but now, the same FFL will not accept it.

[SJgunguy24]

Good reason to spend the 30$ for an 03FFL.

[Cokebottle]

Good reason to spend the 30$ for an 03FFL.

Is that a valid POR?

[ke6guj]

Is that a valid POR?

It does meet the regulations, and many of us have used it as POR. CADOJ has even confirmed over the phone that it is acceptable as POR.

d. "Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice" means either of the following:
1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

see the bolded portion, and it does have our address on it as well.