FFL Fees

[30zero6]

Today I did a PPT and the FFL ( in San Fernando ) charged me $115 for one firearm. The DROS was done at that point ( granted it was my bad not to ask what their fees are prior ) and I didn?t want to cancel. I specifically told him that I had done another PPT very recently and they charged me the typical $47.19 deal. His response ? $37.19 is a flat fee by DOJ , plus $5 lock fee and the rest is our fee? . At that point I didn?t want to cancel and paid for the transfer. I think that?s a bit over the top. I am contemplating giving the DOJ a heads up on this, whether or not they will enforce and hold him responsible.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I wanted to weigh in on this due to discussions I have had with I/O and Field Reps through DOJ. These are the same people that audit the FFL Dealers.

DOJ is only concerned with the posting and charging of fees that relate to what DOJ requires.
This is what you would most likely see at a FFL shop or some variation of and this is what DOJ would look for: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...earms-fees.pdf

Other Dealer fees may not be on this form and must be separate from this fee schedule. DOJ does not want the consumer to think that DOJ is requiring any other fees than what is listed.
Dealers are free to charge anything they wish as long as it is not listed as a DOJ fee (Transaction Receipts should indicate the same).
In my personal opinion if a dealer charges a fee to a Customer for buying a firearm online and having it shipped to that dealer to run the background check, what would be that cost? Its the same process as if a PPT was being done, except more paperwork and a few extra steps are involved for the PPT hence the extra $10.
Some people might not agree, but how is a dealer going to survive by making $10 on transaction that can take up to 30 mins to complete after paperwork is filled out, firearm logged/verified, ID's, multiple copies made, then after 10 days spending another 10-15mins releasing the firearm (logging out , SHD etc.)

CA is suffering already with all the extra regulations being put on dealers.. Many FFL contributors on this site have closed up shops just this year due to new policies and enhanced fines for errors. If you are not happy with your local FFL dealers fees, then hopefully your able to shop around. Reporting an FFL for over charging will result in the DOJ reviewing for proper fee listing, which most dealers are aware of and have these fees posted properly as they should. Its not a violation and its not against any law. Might be bad for their business to charge large fees, but maybe they have too because they cant sell firearms at the same price as online retailers can. Even in this next year with the 11% excise tax going in to affect, its going to hurt dealers and consumers. So please, support your dealers. I don't see too many taking lavish vacations or driving Bentleys..

Sorry, but the Penal Code is clear. $10 per firearm is the maximum that can be charged. PPTs are the cost of doing business in California. Ripping off customers and violating that law is wrong. If I were a consumer, I would report every FFL that violates this since the state mandates you record PPTs. I further think the state is making a huge mistake in limiting PPTs as it will do nothing but encourage people not to do them anymore. Which I would not blame someone at all for. I would not wait months to sell a guy a few guns. If the government wants to arbitrarily limit my ability to sell my property, screw them.

Penal Code 28055
(a) For a sale, loan, or transfer conducted pursuant to this chapter, the purchaser or transferee or person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(b) For temporary storage of a firearm pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 28050, the seller, transferor, or person loaning a firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(c) No other fee may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm conducted pursuant to this chapter, except for the applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to Sections 23690 and 28300 and Article 3 (commencing with Section 28200) of Chapter 6 and forwarded to the Department of Justice, and the fees set forth in Section 31650.
(d) The dealer may not charge any additional fees.
(e) Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a dealer from charging a smaller fee.

[painkiller]

I got charged $80 for a ppt during covid at the gun range in north highlands.The look on the lady's face when i said thats far from the 47.19 your capped at.she said thats the normal fee we charge.if i wasnt 3 hrs away from home I would have walked