Safe handling fee?

[Tyke8319]

Where's KAMASA when we need him...?

[CSACANNONEER]

It doesn?t matter. I advertise to get people into the store to buy stuff. Not cost $37 ever. If they already know I exist what?s the point of calculating cost per person if a PPT makes that figure a larger loss?

The $37 is only $27 since you get to keep $10 of the DROS. Now, for that $27, you get 3 people to walk in (The seller once and the buyer twice) and one WILL RETURN even if he/she is 50 miles or more away. So, in reality, you are paying $9 per walk in. Is that more or less than the other forms of advertising you do?

[anonymous308]

Question… recently introduced to a new gun shop while doing a PPT.

The transfer took approximately 20 minutes.

When I returned 10 days later to pick up the firearm I also bought a Hornady lock box, Hoppes #9 and some CLP.

Used the same shop for a second PPT. 20 minutes or so again. 10 days later I bought another lock box.

Two weeks later I returned to this store (introduced to me through the first PPT) and I bought a Glock 26 and 1,000 rounds of 9mm.

I will return to this store for future needs and refer others because of the exceptional service I received on my first visit.

Lock box and cleaning supplies I could have and normally would have bought online. Same for the ammo.

Did this store lose money on me?

[taperxz]

Hearing about a business and actually walking in the door are two different things. What does your advertising cost per person who walks through your doors?

It doesn?t matter. I advertise to get people into the store to buy stuff. Not cost $37 ever. If they already know I exist what?s the point of calculating cost per person if a PPT makes that figure a larger loss?

[CSACANNONEER]

No and it?s inconsequential. Any negative money report is just that.

Example: If you are a union employee and the union takes your dues and uses it to fund liberal anti gun politicians. How do you feel about that? I, personally would consider that a double loss. One, they took my money and two, it?s also working against me.

If people come into my store to do a ppt, obviously I already advertised my existence or they wouldn?t have found my store.

Now that I?ve paid to advertise, and PPT?ers come in and to be fair here, don?t spend a penny more and live far enough away to not need to come back, I guess the loss on a ppt that I take should be added to lost revenue to my advertising budget. Hmmm, thanks for pointing that out

Hearing about a business and actually walking in the door are two different things. What does your advertising cost per person who walks through your doors?

[Tyke8319]

What do you think would be fair? Please change the "X" to what you think the cost are.

1hr labor $xx.xx (not what you are paid but the cost of staff

copy / print 9 sheets $x.xx

File and retain the paperwork forever $x.xx

1% of the cost of the item co cover insurance (no getting around this)

Not to mention the insurance costs for storing firearms for 10 plus days. I really wonder if any of these complainers would work for $10.00 per PPT. Sorta doubt it.

[taperxz]

I think we are getting somewhere. Since you are doing radio advertising, you should already have figured out how much you spend in advertising to get one person inside your store one time. Do you have that figure? Is it more than $12.50 (using your numbers)? If so, the amount your business is spending on each PPT is actually saving your business money in advertising.

No and it?s inconsequential. Any negative money report is just that.

Example: If you are a union employee and the union takes your dues and uses it to fund liberal anti gun politicians. How do you feel about that? I, personally would consider that a double loss. One, they took my money and two, it?s also working against me.

If people come into my store to do a ppt, obviously I already advertised my existence or they wouldn?t have found my store.

Now that I?ve paid to advertise, and PPT?ers come in and to be fair here, don?t spend a penny more and live far enough away to not need to come back, I guess the loss on a ppt that I take should be added to lost revenue to my advertising budget. Hmmm, thanks for pointing that out

[CSACANNONEER]

Listen, I have multiple stores and we we analyze the statistics. I have no reason to BS anyone here. The numbers are the numbers. I do radio advertising too.

No matter how you try to spell it out, our analysis is we lose $37 per PPT on average. That?s time spent on all facets of the transfer of a firearm. Period. Just wages alone spent on a ppt from start to deliver makes it a loser.

I think we are getting somewhere. Since you are doing radio advertising, you should already have figured out how much you spend in advertising to get one person inside your store one time. Do you have that figure? Is it more than $12.50 (using your numbers)? If so, the amount your business is spending on each PPT is actually saving your business money in advertising.

[taperxz]

I'm all for dragging their name through the mud. They absolutely knew what they were getting in to when they opened their shop. Then they decided that they didn't like it.

If they are stupid enough to pull illegal crap...on top of failing to take advantage of the potential add-on sales that PPTs offer, then let them win the entrepreneurial Darwin Award. Encourages us to find one that doesn't go full retard.

Hahaha! You?re the same guy living in CA complaining about The Roster, AW laws and 10 day waits! Quit complaining! You?re still in CA! You know what you?re getting into walking into a CA gun store

[taperxz]

X answers

1hr labor $20 if hourly employee
Staffing cost or salieried = overhead

Copy / print 9 sheets of paper $ 37 cents
Ink = overhead

File and retain = Part of the PPT agreement

Insurance = overhead

Total PPT Cost (less DROS), call it $21 bucks if done by hourly worker
Total PPT Cost (less DROS), call it $11 bucks if done by salaried worker

$20 an hour??? You don?t think Social Security, unemployment and workers comp doesn?t inflate that.

Pretty clear you?ve never run a business. Now explain why a Large pizza is $36.00

Also explain why and how it’s OK for the State to charge $37.19 for DROS and do virtually nothing. You really should delete your post. It doesn’t enhance your knowledge of the subject

Plus you can’t just classify stuff as overhead when performing a ppt when a BUYER has to leave the store because they can’t wait and a sale is lost. It’s called a list sale AKA a loss of revenue

[Tankhatch]

What do you think would be fair? Please change the "X" to what you think the cost are.

1hr labor $xx.xx (not what you are paid but the cost of staff

copy / print 9 sheets $x.xx

File and retain the paperwork forever $x.xx

1% of the cost of the item co cover insurance (no getting around this)

X answers

1hr labor $20 if hourly employee
Staffing cost or salieried = overhead

Copy / print 9 sheets of paper $ 37 cents
Ink = overhead

File and retain = Part of the PPT agreement

Insurance = overhead

Total PPT Cost (less DROS), call it $21 bucks if done by hourly worker
Total PPT Cost (less DROS), call it $11 bucks if done by salaried worker

[Gryff]

I hate to bad mouth FFLs cause we need as many as we can get but extra/unreasonable fees should not be tolerated.

I'm all for dragging their name through the mud. They absolutely knew what they were getting in to when they opened their shop. Then they decided that they didn't like it.

If they are stupid enough to pull illegal crap...on top of failing to take advantage of the potential add-on sales that PPTs offer, then let them win the entrepreneurial Darwin Award. Encourages us to find one that doesn't go full retard.

[taperxz]

Exactly, it's not something any of us want to do. If you don't like it sue CA to have the regulation removed but don't take it out on your customers.

Maybe if customers are more aware of the issue, we can get support to change the law. A lawsuit would only cost more money for a dealer. Getting the law changed would be a better route. Until then, dealers will continue to do what dealers need to do and customers (if that?s what you want to call a PPT?er) will have to deal with it.

[igs]

It's a regulatory process that you are required to provide.

Exactly, it's not something any of us want to do. If you don't like it sue CA to have the regulation removed but don't take it out on your customers.

[G-forceJunkie]

Oh god, no. Can you imagine the DMV running PPT's?!! There is zero reason transfers could not be done 100% online now days. Fill out the forms, E sign, Upload pics of the ID's, put it in the cart, pay with a credit card. At a MINIMUM all the paperwork could be done online ahead of time, your given a case number, seller walks in to a gun store, hand them the gun with the case number cover sheet you printed or is scanable off your phone, Maybe verify ID. FFL scans a barcode on the cover sheet and bingo the dros is started. Tell the seller to come in after 240 hours.

Personally, I don't think the state should require FFLs to conduct PPTs. I think its wrong that they put this on the FFLs. The state should run their own shops to do PPTs. And ALL CA taxpayers should pay for it not just gun owners. Making gun owners and/or FFLs pay for "gun safety" measures is a load of crap too.