Can I DROs

[GlockyCatt]

DROs was completed at 3:39pm so fingers crossed lmao.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

WRONG. The latest pickup time is based off DROS submission time. It is exactly 720 hours. You have 30 days to pickup your gun after the submit button is pressed.

The 30 days between "applications to purchase" is also based off DROS submission (aka the application) time. They are the exact same. 720 hours. They start at the exact same time.

And so - the 30 day window between applications expires exactly when the "latest pickup date/time" passes.

And that is why the latest pickup date/time is also the end time of the 1/30 window.

Your 1 in 30 starts after the TRANSACTION DAT/TIME, and that 30 days of course is the LATEST DELIVERY DATE/TIME on the DROS form. That time +1 second is when you are legally allowed to begin another DROS on a new forearm from a dealer.

[acespawnshop]

Follow the logic:
Do you deliver on day 10? or make customers wait til day 11.

This assumes the state is logical....And we deliver asap as the PC reads 10 -24 hour periods for the waiting period.

If a customer comes to pick up and day 30 but its after the max time....its still day 30 right? But you can't deliver.

Correct, but the issue that we're talking about is the 1 in 30 law not the waiting period law.

The PC says Day....not "calendar day" A day is a 24 hour period.

Maybe to you and I, but the state defined in the 1999 bulletin the "day" as being Day 1 as the day the DROS was initiated, this PC and law predates the current DES system that puts hours and minutes on the DROS.

Even during the daylight savings time the CADOJ adjusts the DROS delivery 10/30 times to adjust for 240/720 hours.

Agreed, they do but again you're discussing the waiting period and the timeframe to pick up the firearm not the 1 in 30 law.

If you have a rejection after that 30 day time they made a mistake.

We have had them, and called DOJ for this very reason, they affirmed what I'm saying, we've also had ones go through and when we mentioned that to the DOJ they said that it was a mistake on their end and it should have been rejected.

The 30 days between "applications to purchase" is also based off DROS submission (aka the application) time. They are the exact same. 720 hours. They start at the exact same time.

Not how the state views this according to their bulletin.

[acespawnshop]

DROs was completed at 3:39pm so fingers crossed lmao.

Please post an update so we can see what the current trend with the state is on this topic.

[acespawnshop]

For the LOLs.....we literally this am just got a 1 in 30 rejection where the customer swore he was after the 30 day period and we even had an extra day buffer so according to the customer we did his DROS on day 32....Now we did not do the prior dros another dealer did, but I will update on that case as well....

And to the OP. This DROS was done by us yesterday as well. So we within a short period ( this was the last DROS entry or DES access we made yesterday, and I just logged in a couple minutes ago to check status of a different DROS and we got this Rejection notice, so I do not know how long it took the DES to kick us back a rejection,) but it could have been up to 14 hours. So to maybe OP call your FFL and see if yours went through. I will agree that the state is wildly inconsistent with the enforcement of this aspect on the 1 in 30 law.

[acespawnshop]

This is the copy and paste version on the link I previously provided that was the bulletin to all dealers in ca regarding how AB 202 would be enforced. This was the 1999 bulletin.

Bill Lockyer, Attorney General
California Department of Justice
FIREARMS DIVISION
Randy Rossi, Director
Subject:
Assembly Bill (AB) 202 One Handgun Purchase
Per Thirty (30) Days
INFORMATION
BULLETIN
No.:
99-07-FD For further information contact:
Firearms Division
Date: 12/17/99 (916) 227-3703
O TO: ALL FIREARM DEALERS
This is to notify you that effective January 1, 2000, the Department of Justice (DOJ) will
begin screening all handgun transactions to ensure compliance with Assembly Bill 202 (Chapter
128, Statutes of 1999). This new law prohibits California firearm dealers from selling/transferring
title of any handgun to any person who has already acquired a handgun within the State of
California in the past thirty (30) days. This law has been incorporated into California Penal Code
(PC) sections 12071 and 12072.
DOJ will reject Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) applications submitted by any firearm
dealer when it has been determined that the purchaser has completed a handgun DROS application
that has been accepted by DOJ within the past thirty calendar days. In computing the thirty day
period, the date the DROS application is accepted for processing by DOJ shall count as the first
day. As a reminder, a DROS application has been accepted for processing by DOJ when a DROS
number has been assigned by either the DROS Entry System (DES) point-of-sale device (PSD) or
when MCI issues a DROS number over the telephone for an application that has been processed
through the DES telephone call center.
DROS rejections based on violations of the thirty day restriction will be handled in the
same manner as a DROS denial/cancellation. Accordingly, DOJ will notify the dealer of the
DROS rejection by both telephone and U.S. mail. Those dealers who have been assigned a PSD
will receive an additional notice via the PSD e-mail notification system. In such cases, the dealer
will be advised that the rejection is based on a violation of the one handgun per 30-day limitation
imposed by PC Section 12071.

[BONECUTTER]

I do about 1500 DROS's a month. Somewhere between 50 and 100 are done monthly sometimes just minutes after the 30 day/minute/second. I have Never once had one rejected that was not done early on accident by the customer.

I have even had CADOJ call me on multiple occasions because the customer DROS's 10 minutes to and hour too early on day thirty and told me if I cancel and reDROS they will not 1 in 30 reject the customer.

[acespawnshop]

[GlockyCatt]

Picked up my Firearm no issues for anyone following this thread, Thank you all for the knowledge and conversation. Take care.

[acespawnshop]

Picked up my Firearm no issues for anyone following this thread, Thank you all for the knowledge and conversation. Take care.

Rad, glad it worked out.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Right after a new DROS update a year or so ago where they added a new feature, I had a guy get 1 in 30 day violated and he was clearly outside his 30 days. I sent the DOJ a nasty gram about it and then was gone from the store for a week and forgot all about re-running him. When I logged back in he had a swear to God "Approval After Denial". I was glad I did not re-run him and they actually fixed their error. I was able to call him and tell him I was sorry I forgot to re-run him and make him wait longer, but then I was happy they actually fixed it so he could come in and pick up his pistol right there and then!

To confirm, we all know it is exactly 30 twenty four hour periods. Start just one minute after the 30 days and you are fine. Start just one minute before and you are 1 in 30 day rejected.

[BONECUTTER]

Start just one minute before and you are 1 in 30 day rejected.

I have on many occasions had CA DOJ reps call me when the DROS's under an hour too early and told me if I cancel and reDROS it will go though so the customer doesn't need to wait another 30 .

But I've also had DROS 5 minutes early people get rejected.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I have on many occasions had CA DOJ reps call me when the DROS's under an hour too early and told me if I cancel and reDROS it will go though so the customer doesn't need to wait another 30 .

But I've also had DROS 5 minutes early people get rejected.

I have never received those calls. Further, I have always restarted DROS and the second time it works. I know they say it won't, but it does.