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  • snoj
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2020
    • 14

    Process for PPT of off-roster handguns

    I'm finally getting out of the military and moving back to southern California. Unfortunately, I've been unsuccessful in getting a job lined up, so I'm looking to sell a few of the off-roster handguns I've collected over the years to hold me over until I find a job.

    Pursuant to Penal Code sections 17000 and 27560, any person who moves into California with a firearm is considered a "Personal Firearm Importer" and is required by California law to do one of the following within 60 days:

    1. Complete and submit a New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership (BOF 4010A), pdf along with $19.00 to the California Department of Justice, Bureau of Firearms;

    2. Sell or transfer the firearm to a California licensed firearms dealer or to another individual using a California licensed firearms dealer to conduct the transaction; or

    3. Sell or transfer the firearm to a California police or sheriff's department. Persons choosing this option should contact the law enforcement agency for instructions prior to transporting the firearm to the agency.

    Since I'm looking to sell my guns, I want to avoid having to register them with the DOJ. I've looked at past threads in regards to option 2. Through my research on calguns, it sounds like I can simply conduct a PPT at an FFL within 60 days of moving back to CA without having to register my weapons. I spoke to an FFL over the phone today, and the individual told me that while it's perfectly legal to do this, there is a high chance that the transaction will be red-flagged and undergo an investigation. He told me that the better route would be to do option 1 and then conduct a PPT after.

    Are there any FFLs here who are familiar with this scenario. Specifically, have any of you dealt with a new resident trying to sell their off-roster handguns without registering them? I don't understand why my transfer would be red-flagged and investigated if the law clearly states that a transfer like this is legal? Any help/guidance will be greatly appreciated.
    Last edited by snoj; 04-30-2021, 6:03 PM.
  • #2
    9Cal_OC
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2019
    • 6683

    You’ll be fine. That FFL is probably being precautions.

    Once you move back, get a CA DL and sell them within the 60-day window.
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    • #3
      snoj
      Junior Member
      • Aug 2020
      • 14

      @9Cal OC Thanks for your reply.

      Would you or anyone else here know of any good FFLs who are experienced with this that I can go to? I'll be located in the Anaheim/Long Beach area.

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      • #4
        morrcarr67
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jul 2010
        • 15018

        Originally posted by snoj
        @9Cal OC Thanks for your reply.

        Would you or anyone else here know of any good FFLs who are experienced with this that I can go to? I'll be located in the Anaheim/Long Beach area.
        Any FFL is good.

        Your problem with the one that you called is that you told him more than he needs to know.

        Get your CA ID, list them for sale here on CalGuns. When you go to do the transfer all you need to do is say that you're the seller and give them your ID. Sign the paperwork and go home and do it all over again with the next one.

        Just remember K.I.S.S.

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        Originally posted by Erion929

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        • #5
          Garv
          RSG Minion, Senior
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Apr 2014
          • 9019

          Member Shootsocal_dave is an FFL in Fullerton.

          Originally posted by Kestryll:
          It never fails to amuse me how people get outraged but fail to tell the whole story in their rants....

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          • #6
            snoj
            Junior Member
            • Aug 2020
            • 14

            thanks for the replies, everyone.

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            • #7
              sfe187
              Banned
              • Sep 2016
              • 1770

              As morrcarr67 have said, you don't need to explain your book of life to any FFL. Just have your CA ID, do a ppt, done. Now with that out of the way, what you got for sale?

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              • #8
                SkyHawk
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Sep 2012
                • 23514

                Originally posted by morrcarr67

                Your problem with the one that you called is that you told him more than he needs to know.

                Get your CA ID, list them for sale here on CalGuns. When you go to do the transfer all you need to do is say that you're the seller and give them your ID. Sign the paperwork and go home and do it all over again with the next one.

                Just remember K.I.S.S.

                Originally posted by sfe187
                As morrcarr67 have said, you don't need to explain your book of life to any FFL. Just have your CA ID, do a ppt, done. Now with that out of the way, what you got for sale?
                ^^^ THIS x 1000

                Unless they know you well and you know them well, NEVER explain anything to a CA FFL. Nothing good will ever come from it. Name rank and serial number, that's it.

                And never seek legal advice from a CA FFL.
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                • #9
                  Oceanbob
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 12720

                  Originally posted by morrcarr67
                  Any FFL is good.

                  Your problem with the one that you called is that you told him more than he needs to know.

                  Get your CA ID, list them for sale here on CalGuns. When you go to do the transfer all you need to do is say that you're the seller and give them your ID. Sign the paperwork and go home and do it all over again with the next one.

                  Just remember K.I.S.S.

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                  Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).

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                  • #10
                    snoj
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2020
                    • 14

                    I really appreciate all the helpful responses.

                    For those who've PM'd me or asked on this thread, I'm still trying to decide on what I'm selling, but off the top of my head I have a gen 5 G43x, G45, G48 all MOS except the 43x. I've also got the p365 SAS and the normal one and an M18.

                    I have a few others, but I'm still deciding on what to sell. I'll post a more formal message when I get to CA.

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                    • #11
                      I Swan
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 8770

                      Originally posted by SkyHawk
                      ^^^ THIS x 1000

                      Unless they know you well and you know them well, NEVER explain anything to a CA FFL. Nothing good will ever come from it. Name rank and serial number, that's it.

                      And never seek legal advice from a CA FFL.
                      I'm amazed at the amount of people that call or go to a FFL and ask detailed serious legal questions that if incorrectly answered and the advice taken could result in serious felony charges.

                      Considering the average gun shop clerk armchair commando you are likely to encounter especially in big box corporate stores that is amazing to me.

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                      • #12
                        taperxz
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 19395

                        Originally posted by SkyHawk
                        ^^^ THIS x 1000

                        Unless they know you well and you know them well, NEVER explain anything to a CA FFL. Nothing good will ever come from it. Name rank and serial number, that's it.

                        And never seek legal advice from a CA FFL.
                        Except that we need to weed out the possibility of that off roster gun being purchased as exempt from some of the limited LE exemptions recently created by the state.

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                        • #13
                          c good
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 2635

                          D.O.J. doesn't care who it's coming from...Just who it's going to. Remember any more than 5 transactions can throw up a red flag. Try to combine sales for each D.R.O.S.

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                          • #14
                            I Swan
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 8770

                            Originally posted by taperxz
                            Except that we need to weed out the possibility of that off roster gun being purchased as exempt from some of the limited LE exemptions recently created by the state.
                            Isn't that more of a problem for the seller than the FFL? Have you ever heard of a FFL having problems because of it? One now defunct FFL I knew made you fill out a form certifying you were not one of the lower tier LEO's when doing a PPT.

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                            • #15
                              Quiet
                              retired Goon
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 30241

                              Originally posted by I Swan
                              Isn't that more of a problem for the seller than the FFL? Have you ever heard of a FFL having problems because of it? One now defunct FFL I knew made you fill out a form certifying you were not one of the lower tier LEO's when doing a PPT.
                              Penal Code 32000
                              (a)(1) A person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends an unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.
                              (2) The failure to report to the Department of Justice in accordance with the provisions of paragraph (2) of subdivision (e) the sale or transfer of an unsafe handgun obtained pursuant to paragraph (4), (6), or (7) of subdivision (b) may be subject to a civil penalty not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000).
                              (3) In addition to any criminal penalty provided in paragraph (1), the unlawful sale or transfer of an unsafe handgun obtained pursuant to paragraph (4), (6), or (7) of subdivision (b) may be subject to a civil penalty not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000).
                              (c)(1) Notwithstanding Section 26825, a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, shall not process the sale or transfer of an unsafe handgun between a person who has obtained an unsafe handgun pursuant to an exemption specified in paragraph (6) or (7) of subdivision (b) and a person who is not exempt from the requirements of this section.
                              (e)(1) The Department of Justice shall maintain a database of unsafe handguns obtained pursuant to paragraph (4), (6), or (7) of subdivision (b). This requirement shall apply retroactively to include information in the department’s possession. The department may satisfy this requirement by maintaining this information in any existing firearm database that reasonably facilitates compliance with this subdivision.
                              (2) A person or entity that is in possession of an unsafe handgun obtained pursuant to paragraph (4), (6), or (7) of subdivision (b), shall notify the department of any sale or transfer of that handgun within 72 hours of the sale or transfer in a manner and format prescribed by the department. This requirement shall be deemed satisfied if the sale or transfer is processed through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Section 27545. A sale or transfer accomplished through an exception to Section 27545 is not exempt from this reporting requirement.
                              (3) By no later than March 1, 2021, the department shall provide a notification to persons or entities possessing an unsafe handgun pursuant to paragraph (4), (6), or (7) of subdivision (b) regarding the prohibitions on the sale or transfer of that handgun contained in this section. Thereafter, the department shall, upon notification of sale or transfer, provide the same notification to the purchaser or transferee of any unsafe handgun sold or transferred pursuant to those provisions.
                              Last edited by Quiet; 05-01-2021, 10:22 AM.
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