Reloaded ammo PPT

[Tyke8319]

In answer to your assertion, it is not illegal to sell reloaded ammunition. A FFL 06 is required to Manufacture ammunition.

[Tyke8319]

federal law tyke try using search

What Federal law is there that prohibits "selling reloaded ammunition"?

[Tyke8319]

Does NOT prohibit the manufacture of reloaded ammunition!

Check out LAX Ammunition
Freedom Munitions

Both sell "reloaded ammunition" (remanufactured)!!~

[Tyke8319]

federal law tyke try using search

NO, suggest you try searching it...

[Quiet]

Legally in order to sell reloaded ammo, need to have a 06-FFL.

In 2018, BATFE arrested an AZ resident for selling reloaded ammo.
That AZ resident was charged with conspiracy, manufacturing/selling ammo without a license, and manufacturing/selling armor piercing ammo without a license.
In 2019, that AZ resident's lawyers were able to make a deal and he plead guilty of manufacturing ammo without a license [18 USC 922(a)(1)(B)].
The deal got him 2 years in prison with a $250,000 fine. (he was looking at 15-20 years in prison)

[Quiet]

What Federal law is there that prohibits "selling reloaded ammunition"?

18 USC 922
(a) It shall be unlawful—
(1) for any person—
(B) except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;

18 USC 923
(a) No person shall engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or importing or manufacturing ammunition, until he has filed an application with and received a license to do so from the Attorney General. The application shall be in such form and contain only that information necessary to determine eligibility for licensing as the Attorney General shall by regulation prescribe and shall include a photograph and fingerprints of the applicant. Each applicant shall pay a fee for obtaining such a license, a separate fee being required for each place in which the applicant is to do business, as follows:
(1) If the applicant is a manufacturer—
(C) of ammunition for firearms, other than ammunition for destructive devices or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of $10 per year.

18 USC 921
(a) As used in this chapter—
(2) The term “interstate or foreign commerce” includes commerce between any place in a State and any place outside of that State, or within any possession of the United States (not including the Canal Zone) or the District of Columbia, but such term does not include commerce between places within the same State but through any place outside of that State. The term “State” includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the possessions of the United States (not including the Canal Zone).
(10) The term “manufacturer” means any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution; and the term “licensed manufacturer” means any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter.
(21) The term “engaged in the business” means—
(B) as applied to a manufacturer of ammunition, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured;
(22) The term “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection: Provided, That proof of profit shall not be required as to a person who engages in the regular and repetitive purchase and disposition of firearms for criminal purposes or terrorism.

[jmpgnr24k]

18 USC 922
(a) It shall be unlawful—
(1) for any person—
(B) except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;

18 USC 923
(a) No person shall engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or importing or manufacturing ammunition, until he has filed an application with and received a license to do so from the Attorney General. The application shall be in such form and contain only that information necessary to determine eligibility for licensing as the Attorney General shall by regulation prescribe and shall include a photograph and fingerprints of the applicant. Each applicant shall pay a fee for obtaining such a license, a separate fee being required for each place in which the applicant is to do business, as follows:
(1) If the applicant is a manufacturer—
(C) of ammunition for firearms, other than ammunition for destructive devices or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of $10 per year.

18 USC 921
(a) As used in this chapter—
(2) The term “interstate or foreign commerce” includes commerce between any place in a State and any place outside of that State, or within any possession of the United States (not including the Canal Zone) or the District of Columbia, but such term does not include commerce between places within the same State but through any place outside of that State. The term “State” includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the possessions of the United States (not including the Canal Zone).
(10) The term “manufacturer” means any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution; and the term “licensed manufacturer” means any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter.
(21) The term “engaged in the business” means—
(B) as applied to a manufacturer of ammunition, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured;
(22) The term “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection: Provided, That proof of profit shall not be required as to a person who engages in the regular and repetitive purchase and disposition of firearms for criminal purposes or terrorism.

Well, thank you Quiet for asserting. Now since all seems quiet ,
OP....the moral of the story is dealing with or selling non-commercially reloaded ammo is not a good idea as a business.
And that a few people didn’t fully read or understand your post
Good luck! And stay healthy.

[sass2924]

The “friend” is not engaged as a business “ The term “engaged in the business” means—
(B) as applied to a manufacturer of ammunition, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured“ and no where does it say he is selling ammo.



still not a problem

[jmpgnr24k]

^^^

[RHT447]

My solution was simpler.

We both agree that you came over to my place with your components and I taught you how to use my reloading setup so you could load your ammo. You paid me cash for the instruction. If something blows up, I don't know you.

Are we good?

[Tyke8319]

18 USC 92218 USC 92318 USC 921

reloaded ammunition CAN be sold....with the proper licenses.

[superdave50]

Deleted..

[chevy_dog]

Thanks everyone - this really helps us all talking about it. I put in an email to the DOJ two days ago and I will post up their response.

I would like to do this as a transfer, because frankly, that is what it is. My question that I posted to the DOJ was concerning whether the "seller" can ship me the ammo and the "buyer" come to my shop and proceed with an ammo transfer, not an ammo sale. The kicker here is that the "Seller" would not be here, like he needs to be here for a PPT of a firearm. Nowhere in the DES system is there a spot for "Seller" signature in an ammo transfer, and if thats the case, I would like to proceed with the transfer by having the seller ship the ammo and inputting it into the system as an ammo transfer.

Again, thanks everyone - stay safe.

[jmpgnr24k]

reloaded ammunition CAN be sold....with the proper licenses.

[chevy_dog]

Got a call from DOJ Field rep and had a nice long conversation about this. Basically, it boils down to this CCR:

ARTICLE 2. Other Restrictions Relating to Ammunition Section 30312(b) "Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part."

The person transferring the ammo will need to be present, unless he ships the ammo through a FFL with proper CFLC procedures.