Is there a set PPT/DROS fee?

[bubbapug1]

Is $35.00 the standard PPT fee for a FTF transfer in a store or can a place charge more? I have bought numerous guns and never paid more that $35.00 until today at Triple B clays...it was $45.00

[Fjold]

Triple B clays ripped you off and broke the law

[ke6guj]

A PPT is limited, by law to $35 max.

A PPT is a transfer between 2 CA-residents who both appear at the dealer at the same time. Any other transfer is not limited to $35 max.

[bubbapug1]

Can anyone point me in the direction of any written legalize I can show them? The person I did the transfer with told them they were breaking the law, but their answer was silence. Its not a big deal, but I just want to know so I can talk with them about it when I pick up the gun in ten days.

[ke6guj]

here you go.

What fees can I charge for handling a Private Party Transfer (PPT)?
If the transaction is a PPT, you are restricted to charging no more than $25.00 in State fees described and $10.00 per firearm for conducting the PPT. For example:

For a PPT involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees are $35.00 for the first handgun, and $31.00 for each subsequent handgun.
For PPTs involving one or more long guns, the State fees are limited to $25.00 for the whole transaction plus $10.00 dealer fee per firearm transferred.
(PC section 12082)

12082. (a) A person shall complete any sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm through a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071 in accordance with this section in order to comply with subdivision (d) of Section 12072. The seller or transferor or the person loaning the firearm shall deliver the firearm to the dealer who shall retain possession of that firearm. The dealer shall then deliver the firearm to the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, if it is not prohibited, in accordance with subdivision (c) of Section 12072. If the dealer cannot legally deliver the firearm to the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, the dealer shall forthwith, without waiting for the conclusion of the waiting period described in Sections 12071 and 12072, return the firearm to the transferor or seller or the person loaning the firearm. The dealer shall not return the firearm to the seller or transferor or the person loaning the firearm when to do so would constitute a violation of subdivision (a) of Section 12072. If the dealer cannot legally return the firearm to the transferor or seller or the person loaning the firearm, then the dealer shall forthwith deliver the firearm to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police or other head of a municipal police department of any city or city and county who shall then dispose of the firearm in the manner provided by Sections 12028 and 12032. The purchaser or transferee or person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm, and no other fee may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm conducted pursuant to this section, except for the applicable fee that the Department of Justice may charge pursuant to Section 12076. Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a dealer from charging a smaller fee. The fee that the department may charge is the fee that would be applicable pursuant to Section 12076, if the dealer was selling, transferring, or delivering a firearm to a purchaser or transferee or a person being loaned a firearm, without any other parties being involved in the transaction.
(b) The Attorney General shall adopt regulations under this section to do all of the following:
(1) Allow the seller or transferor or the person loaning the firearm, and the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, to complete a sale, loan, or transfer through a dealer, and to allow those persons and the dealer to comply with the requirements of this section and Sections 12071, 12072, 12076, and 12077 and to preserve the confidentiality of those records.
(2) Where a personal handgun importer is selling or transferring a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to comply with clause (ii) of subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (f) of Section 12072, to allow a personal handgun importer's ownership of the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person being sold or transferred to be recorded in a manner that if the firearm is returned to that personal handgun importer because the sale or transfer cannot be completed, the Department of Justice will have sufficient information about that personal handgun importer so that a record of his or her ownership can be maintained in the registry provided by subdivision (c) of Section 11106.
(3) Ensure that the register or record of electronic transfer shall state the name and address of the seller or transferor of the firearm or the person loaning the firearm and whether or not the person is a personal handgun importer in addition to any other information required by Section 12077.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a dealer who does not sell, transfer, or keep an inventory of handguns is not required to process private party transfers of handguns.
(d) A violation of this section by a dealer is a misdemeanor.

[bubbapug1]

Thanks, I will send them this or take it with me. I am sure it won't make me very popular there, and it looks like a great place to shoot. Maybe I should just keep my trap shut....no pun intended.

I would also like to add two things about the transaction.

1. It seems to me $10.00 is an outragously small fee considering the time tied up in a dros, although some places do it much faster than others. However, they still need to store the gun for 10 days and it ties up a salesman for at least 15 minutes who could be selling something else.

2. The gentleman at Triple B was an extremally nice guy..but the owner set the price. if they give me a refund of $10.00 I will give it to the gun salesman who helped us.

[Tillers_Rule]

Don't worry about being popular there. If they are ripping you off, they are most likely ripping other people off. You should just be civil about is and ask the owner for an explanation and why he isn't subject to the same rules.

And personally, I think $10 is plenty of money for filing a little paper work when they might have just been standing there playing pocket pool.

[halifax]

Thanks, I will send them this or take it with me. I am sure it won't make me very popular there, and it looks like a great place to shoot. Maybe I should just keep my trap shut....no pun intended.

I would also like to add two things about the transaction.

1. It seems to me $10.00 is an outragously small fee considering the time tied up in a dros, although some places do it much faster than others. However, they still need to store the gun for 10 days and it ties up a salesman for at least 15 minutes who could be selling something else.

2. The gentleman at Triple B was an extremally nice guy..but the owner set the price. if they give me a refund of $10.00 I will give it to the gun salesman who helped us.

They were wrong to charge $45.

That being said, thank you for realizing that "$10.00 is an outragously small fee ."

[nplant]

The only people being ripped off in California by a state-mandated fee that can't be changed without legislation is the private business. The state has no business in setting values on services rendered. $35 is a ridiculously low price if you consider the time it takes to perform the work, and the space it take up in a dealer's safe for 10 days. The dealer makes no profit at all when these things are considered. At best, if they swallow this with a smile, and make it smooth for the seller and buyer, they've maybe got a repeat customer. But repeat customers that come in only to get a service peformed at a loss isn't exactly a great customer. It's no wonder most dealers restrict the times that they'll do such a transfer.

That said, technically, it is illegal to not provide the service at all, or to charge more than the law currently allows.

The state should get out of business just as it should get out of our private lives. I'll just keep wishing, I guess.

[bohoki]

if the law requires private sales of firearms go through a dealer and all dealers just decided to not do ppts or charge $100

woudl that be fair for the average californian

[socalgunrunner]

if the law requires private sales of firearms go through a dealer and all dealers just decided to not do ppts or charge $100

woudl that be fair for the average californian

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Since most FFL's do not seem to enjoy doing PPT's, if they were allowed to set their own prices they could just price it so high that nobody would ever ask them to do it.

That way customers would have no other choice but to sell their unwanted guns back to the dealer (at a loss of course), and/or purchase over-priced inventory from behind their counters.

[jamesob]

i believe the way they are getting away with it is that i believe they can charge for each day that the weapon is in their custody, or am i wrong? i read that somewhere but don't remember where.

[halifax]

i believe the way they are getting away with it is that i believe they can charge for each day that the weapon is in their custody, or am i wrong? i read that somewhere but don't remember where.

I've heard that one too but they are wrong to do it. The DOJ will tell them so if they ask.

[Amacias805]

i believe the way they are getting away with it is that i believe they can charge for each day that the weapon is in their custody, or am i wrong? i read that somewhere but don't remember where.

if i recall, the law sets the days that they are required to hold, 10 day minimum, 30 days maxs to complete the dros. if they go over the 30 days, the dros must be completed again, and the dealer can charge for days in excess of the 30. i heard of (not sure if this is true, cause i didn't personally do business with them) dealers charging 10 bucks a day, after the 30.

again if i am wrong please correct me.

[bubbapug1]

Let's not have this become a argument between gun buyers and gun sellers. If anything lets look at the folks in Sac as the people who have saddled us with this system. I do think back ground checks are a great idea. I wouldn't want bad guys free access to guns, although its foolish to think they don't have as much access as normal folks do, they just don't have to dros their weapons!

That said, it is a lot of liability to store a gun in a safe for ten days and to deal with some of the crazies I see pacing the floors at some stores...the obviously methed crowd...it makes me pause at times.

I appreciate the info and will show the paper to triple B's...if they give me back $10.00 great, if not...well not so good, but I am still going to shoot there!