PPTing a RAW

[ugimports]

Question, what happens in this scenario:

Buyer comes in to do a PPT on a featureless or fixed mag rifle
Seller brings in rifle and when asked if it was ever registered as an AW says "no"
FFL does all PPT paperwork
FFL does not have AW license
Seller did register it as an AW and thought taking off features makes it good to go (never de-registers with DOJ).
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Since FFL documented the PPT and has no AW license, what is going to happen? The FFL obviously didn't "knowingly" touch/transfer an AW, but nevertheless, it has been documented...

It's clear a lot of people get confused with what is registered or not, what is legal or not. I can only ask the question, but can't really know what they did or did not do.

[acespawnshop]

Or tries to pawn one?

[ugimports]

I'm wondering if it's safer to transfer as a frame since according to regs that would not be an AW configuration and at least in the DROS/acquisition logs it will say frame..that way if SN is an AW at least you have proof it wasn't in AW config..thoughts?

[RoundEye]

In this scenario, I was advised to call our DOJ Rep ASAP. That way we're not caught with an RAW and not having an AW and DW Permit.

[ugimports]

In this scenario, I was advised to call our DOJ Rep ASAP. That way we're not caught with an RAW and not having an AW and DW Permit.

But in the scenario I'm talking about you don't know it is/was a RAW until the DOJ tells you which is likely when they are coming to take you away..

Or do you mean call the DOJ rep to verify it is not a RAW?

[edgerly779]

Sue the *** off the seller for stupidity.

[kemasa]

Post your inventory, you are going to jail.

I doubt that they would do anything to the FFL if the firearm isn't in a RAW configuration, but even a stripped lower can be a RAW. The CA DOJ hasn't provided the means to determine if it was registered or not. When it doesn't have the features, it can make it difficult to know.

[RoundEye]

But in the scenario I'm talking about you don't know it is/was a RAW until the DOJ tells you which is likely when they are coming to take you away..

Or do you mean call the DOJ rep to verify it is not a RAW?

I menat to let them know as soon as you find out. However, I see your boggle...

[taperxz]

Post your inventory, you are going to jail.

I doubt that they would do anything to the FFL if the firearm isn't in a RAW configuration, but even a stripped lower can be a RAW. The CA DOJ hasn't provided the means to determine if it was registered or not. When it doesn't have the features, it can make it difficult to know.

Whats even more fun is that some people who have registered their rifles might PPT without new confirmation from DOJ that it was registered. Registered, no confirmation and then they decide to make it featurless because they are tired of waiting for DOJ

[kemasa]

Whats even more fun is that some people who have registered their rifles might PPT without new confirmation from DOJ that it was registered. Registered, no confirmation and then they decide to make it featurless because they are tired of waiting for DOJ

If it hasn't been completed yet, is it really a RAW? :-)

There is supposed to be a way to remove it from the registration, but I don't know if anyone has been able to do it.

[ugimports]

I can see people thinking it is NOT registered since most people say "In Process" in CFARS. So they might think it's not done (letter received or not).

[Califpatriot]

Talk to your lawyer, but most crimes are not strict liability crimes. They require criminal intent (mens rea). Here, that would mean knowingly or at least negligently dealing with a AW. but given you've asked and we're wrongly told it's not an AW, don't know how that can even be deemed negligent.

Interestingly, I've sold a couple ARs in different gun stores and never been asked if they were RAWs.

[ugimports]

So what I got back from DOJ was:

My supervisor advised me that the PPT DROS would be denied, based on the AW registration record.

And as long as it isn't in AW configuration I was verbally told they wouldn't come raid you and arrest you...

[waygeekierthanu]

So what I got back from DOJ was:


And as long as it isn't in AW configuration I was verbally told they wouldn't come raid you and arrest you...

Well that's nice of them. I like my dog, so...

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[ugimports]

Well that's nice of them. I like my dog, so...

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You will no longer do PPTs of any rifles or lowers or accept shipments of them? That's the only way to completely avoid this scenario ever occurring.