Question for an FFL

[SoCal1911]

Hello Guys,

I am selling an M1 Garand and had someone that was interested but wanted to do this: FFL03 COE (No PPT needed)? What does he mean?

Thanks for your input.

[taperxz]

Hello Guys,

I am selling an M1 Garand and had someone that was interested but wanted to do this: FFL03 COE (No PPT needed)? What does he mean?

Thanks for your input.

It means you go to an FFL, and let the FFL DROS it, and they can release it with no 10 wait. Still supposed to be done at a local FFL

[Cokebottle]

It means you go to an FFL, and let the FFL DROS it, and they can release it with no 10 wait. Still supposed to be done at a local FFL

This.
If you both have an 03FFL and COE, then you can do a face to face long gun transfer.

[SoCal1911]

I wanted to do FTF / PPT, and do not know this buyer and he has a zero I-Trader rating. Just seamed a little questionable.
Thanks guys.

[ARFrog]

It means you go to an FFL, and let the FFL DROS it, and they can release it with no 10 wait. Still supposed to be done at a local FFL

Not a FFL 01 but the previous posts are in error. No PPT is needed if it is private party to FFL03 for a long gun. (Note: it would need a DROS if it was FFL01 to FFL03). See the following post from the C&R forum regarding FFL03 and COE benefits. Note the first post and the second benefit listed:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1495389

A C&R long gun needs to be over 50 years old, which the WWII Garand is. The sale is accomplished by you, a private party, selling to a FFL03 who then logs the sale into his/her bound book. They report the transaction and pay a fee directly to CA DOJ within 30 days, if the sale is done in state. (Note: personally I use a C&R bill of sale as part of my transactions but it is not required.)

[taperxz]

Not a FFL 01 but the previous posts are in error. No PPT is needed if it is private party to FFL03 for a long gun. (Note: it would need a DROS if it was FFL01 to FFL03). See the following post from the C&R forum regarding FFL03 and COE benefits. Note the first post and the second benefit listed:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1495389

A C&R long gun needs to be over 50 years old, which the WWII Garand is. The sale is accomplished by you, a private party, selling to a FFL03 who then logs the sale into his/her bound book. They report the transaction and pay a fee directly to CA DOJ within 30 days, if the sale is done in state. (Note: personally I use a C&R bill of sale as part of my transactions but it is not required.)

I don’t think that applies to in state PPTs. You can self reg if you acquire from out of state. Not in state. If I’m wrong Kemasa will straighten me out

[ARFrog]

Please read the above referenced forum post...Please read the forum post....etc...

- for instate long gun acquisitions the FFL03 sends in the form and fee within 30 days

- for out of state acquisitions the FFL03 sends in the form and fee within 5 days of brings the firearm into the state

[SkyHawk]

CA PC27966

No FFL visit required if the buyer has 03 FFL and COE and the firearm is a C&R long gun:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=27966

ARTICLE 6. Exceptions to the Requirement of Using a Dealer for a Private Party Firearms Transaction [27850 - 27970] ( Article 6 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )

27966.
Commencing January 1, 2014, if all of the following requirements are satisfied, Section 27545 shall not apply to the sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm:
(a) The sale, loan, or transfer is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
(b) The firearm is not a handgun.
(c) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.
(d) The person receiving the firearm has a current certificate of eligibility issued pursuant to Section 26710.
(e) The person receiving the firearm is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued thereto.

OP, if your buyer has a 03FFL and a current certificate of eligibilty, and you are selling a C&R long gun (like a Garand), you can meet the buyer anywhere and hand him the gun after inspecting his documents. He should leave a copy of the documents with you, and you should at least look at their drivers license to make sure it matches the info on the documents (name/address etc).

You should be prepared to give the buyer your name and D/L number at minimum. Your full address is also nice. The buyer must record this info in his bound book which he is required to keep per federal law.

You DO NOT need to visit a FFL if the buyer has the proper documents.

[taperxz]

CA PC27966

No FFL visit required if the buyer has 03 FFL and COE and the firearm is a C&R long gun:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=27966

OP, if your buyer has a 03FFL and a current certificate of eligibilty, and you are selling a C&R long gun (like a Garand), you can meet the buyer anywhere and hand him the gun after inspecting his documents. He should leave a copy of the documents with you, and you should at least look at their drivers license to make sure it matches the info on the documents (name/address etc).

You DO NOT need to visit a FFL if the buyer has the proper documents.

Am I missing something or does that law only require a COE? Never mind you didn’t post the next requirement of 03

[ten888]

Redundant - Deleting. See response by Skyhawk

[SkyHawk]

Am I missing something or does that law only require a COE? Never mind you didn’t post the next requirement of 03

Sorry my cut and paste missed that line. iPad is not the best for serious work. That is why I always provide the link to the authority. I edited the quote. Thanks!

[taperxz]

I wanted to do FTF / PPT, and do not know this buyer and he has a zero I-Trader rating. Just seamed a little questionable.
Thanks guys.

[taperxz]

Sorry my cut and paste missed that line, I edited the quote. Thanks!

[ARFrog]

CA PC27966

No FFL visit required if the buyer has 03 FFL and COE and the firearm is a C&R long gun:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=27966

OP, if your buyer has a 03FFL and a current certificate of eligibilty, and you are selling a C&R long gun (like a Garand), you can meet the buyer anywhere and hand him the gun after inspecting his documents. He should leave a copy of the documents with you, and you should at least look at their drivers license to make sure it matches the info on the documents (name/address etc).

You should be prepared to give the buyer your name and D/L number at minimum. Your full address is also nice. The buyer must record this info in his bound book which he is required to keep per federal law.

You DO NOT need to visit a FFL if the buyer has the proper documents.

what he said....

[taperxz]

what he said....

Meh. Everyone still comes in to do them. Most sellers worry about breaking the laws due to abundance of them in this state.

Plus, there is no advantage to the seller