Why do some FFL's make it so difficult to complete transfers?

[sbo80]

until the FFL I tried to PPT a frame only said "you can't, it has to be a whole firearm". And this was an on-roster Glock. You just can't win!

[acespawnshop]

until the FFL I tried to PPT a frame only said "you can't, it has to be a whole firearm". And this was an on-roster Glock. You just can't win!

Then the FFL you went to is pretty ignorant on what is legal and what isn't.

[kemasa]

until the FFL I tried to PPT a frame only said "you can't, it has to be a whole firearm". And this was an on-roster Glock. You just can't win!

Just a frame isn't on-roster. As said, they are wrong though.

[Nardo1895]

I can't speak for The Range in Fresno. They have been in business a long time and I'd think they would know the law inside out. They were, and maybe still are, owned by an attorney who handles a lot of firearms related cases. But that doesn't mean all the counter staff are experts on the law.

Before getting an FFL I too lamented when I could not get a gunshop to do something I knew to be legal. After I got an FFL I developed a little different perspective. As an FFL I not only need to know exactly what the law allows and doesn't allow, but I also need to be able to convince my DOJ field rep I'm right. I have to weigh helping a customer against defending my entire business operation to DOJ.

I also learned about all the DOJ bulletins (ex: Real ID restrictions, not allowing multiple C&R transfers within 30 days, etc) that were not consistent with what the law actually says. I suppose a dealer could ignore a bulletin they know to be wrong, but it would be at their peril.

This has all forced me to error on the side of caution. I still try and do what I know to be right, but the worst a customer can do is take their businesses elsewhere and not recommend me to others. DOJ can suspend my license and drag me to court. Maybe I'm overly paranoid.

I shipped a long gun at Fed Ex a couple weeks ago. They said I needed a license to ship a firearm. I know the law doesn't require that and told them so. They say its their policy. I think the clerk was wrong as I shipped another this week and they didn't require a license. But that did make me realize that a business can have a Policy that is more restrictive than the Law. They should admit its a policy and not claim "its the law", but every business has to ask how much risk they are willing to take on in the interest of customer service.

Its sad we live in a state that causes all this, but we choose to live here so you gotta live with it or try and change it. Blaming the FFL doesn't really help. There has been some very good advise in this string; find an FFL you like doing business with. There are lots of them in the Fresno/Clovis area.

Just my 2 cents...

[kemasa]

I shipped a long gun at Fed Ex a couple weeks ago. They said I needed a license to ship a firearm. I know the law doesn't require that and told them so. They say its their policy. I think the clerk was wrong as I shipped another this week and they didn't require a license.

It isn't Corp. policy and corp doesn't want a copy of the FFL because then they are responsible for protecting the information. The local offices make things up, as well as clerks making things up. If you push to see the printed policy, that can clear things up as their policy doesn't say it is required.

[GoingQuiet]

Met a fellow Calgunner at "The Range Pistol Club" in Fresno on Wednesday 9/5/2018 to transfer a pistol. It had a blocked magazine: They refused to transfer the gun without a 10-Rd magazine. I confirmed the blocked and epoxied magazine only held 10-rds.

Met a different Calgunner at the same place last month to transfer a long gun and they refused because he did not have proof of residence for the long gun transfer.

The Range Pistol Club, 5151 N Gates Ave, Fresno, CA 93722, (559) 277-9800

Because gun dealers in 50 states are notorious for complaining about complying with federal law, and they become so cranky about federal law being onerous - that they invent some FUD state/local/town/village level BS to make themselves feel as powerful as the state assembly.

Dealers LOVE making up regulations on a whim - on the basis of "we have to protect ourselves" - FROM WHAT? How the hell is ATF or DOJ going to write you up for not complying with a regulation YOU INVENTED?

It's insanity.

[taperxz]

Because gun dealers in 50 states are notorious for complaining about complying with federal law, and they become so cranky about federal law being onerous - that they invent some FUD state/local/town/village level BS to make themselves feel as powerful as the state assembly.

Dealers LOVE making up regulations on a whim - on the basis of "we have to protect ourselves" - FROM WHAT? How the hell is ATF or DOJ going to write you up for not complying with a regulation YOU INVENTED?

It's insanity.

Insanity? After making such a remark, in the case of the long gun transfer, how do you know the persons ID didn’t have a PO box or prior address on the ID? You do realize, a government issued document with proof of residency is required to be viewed do t you?

[GoingQuiet]

It is and it isn't. Most state agencies unless in limited cases like you are LE - will not issue an ID to a PO box. And current addresses are always important, but they can be supplanted easily to satisfy federal level requirements.

To wit. In some states - writing your new address on the back in sharpie meets legal requirement.

[Yodaman]

[kemasa]

To wit. In some states - writing your new address on the back in sharpie meets legal requirement.

In which states would that be?

Using random writing on the back wouldn't be acceptable under Federal law as you have no idea as to who wrote it.