How would you DROS this in CA?

[neffect]

How guys working on building my newest project.

How would you and can you DROS this is CA?

Featureless, over 26", fired with two hands, with a bipod or mounted to a tripod. No stock. Barrel could be 16.1" (plus muzzle break) or 13.1" (plus muzzle break) depending on what's allowed in this scenario.

I would think its the following: Long gun, rifle, semi-auto, "no stock" in the 4473 notes? Does the barrel length matter if it's over 26" and has no stock? Is this doable?

[Tyke8319]

If that's a forward "pistol grip" it's not going to work.

[neffect]

It's a hand stop.

[ASD1]

It's a hand stop.

Not sure if "hand stop" is going to pass the giggle test

Will need a 16" + barrel

[caliguy93]

Ok this can get confusing,

In California, you can only choose to DROS it as a pistol or as a rifle even though ATF can also determine it to be a title 1 “other” firearm.

As a rifle, it must have a barrel length of at least 16” and must be over 30” without the muzzle brake overall. Not 26”!

As a pistol, it would have to be dros’d To a roster exempt person and have a fixed magazine as well as a barrel of less than 16”.

So assuming you are not DROSing it as a pistol, you would need to either add the stock to make the firearm over 30” or add a permanent attached muzzle brake that would make this firearm over 30”

You would also need to to remove the vertical grip/handstop unless you have a fixed mag device

[franklinarmory]

Federally, it is an other so long as it never had a stock attached. In California, it is a pistol if the barrel is under 16". If you have a 16" or greater length barrel, the 30" rule would not apply since it is not a rifle (unless a stock was previously attached.) It would not be an AW if it is not a rifle, shotgun, or pistol.

[Tyke8319]

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[caliguy93]

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You are forgetting the assault weapon definitions

A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches

[superhondaz50]

Federally, it is an other so long as it never had a stock attached. In California, it is a pistol if the barrel is under 16". If you have a 16" or greater length barrel, the 30" rule would not apply since it is not a rifle (unless a stock was previously attached.) It would not be an AW if it is not a rifle, shotgun, or pistol.

Right on the money.

[neffect]

Right on the money.

Superhondaz50,

It would be an off-roster gun as a pistol though wouldn't it? But if its over 26" its not a pistol any more correct?

Looking at having this shipped in from out of state. Was thinking about having it shipped in without a barrel or pistol grip and registering it as a receiver. Then installing the 16" barrel and fin grip. Not sure if that is better or having the grip and barrel installed already.

Trying to come up with the cleanest way to do it. Any suggestions would be great. Thank you.

[franklinarmory]

If you use a less than 16" barrel, it IS a pistol. If it IS a pistol, then it IS an "Assault Weapon." Yeah, it is off roster, but.....

I would suggest keeping it as a long gun "other" and never trying to change it, except for the grip. The grip fin is superflous so long as it never has had a stock attached.

[Quiet]

Since FN USA only makes/sells the M249S as a Title 1 Rifle, would that not play into how it is DROS'd?
^Because of that wouldn't it require a non-FN made M249 receiver in order to be a Title 1 Other.

[Quiet]

It would be an off-roster gun as a pistol though wouldn't it? But if its over 26" its not a pistol any more correct?

Overall length has nothing to do with how CA classifies a firearm as a "handgun". The only length issue that matter to them for "handgun" classification is barrel length (needs to be under 16" for it to be considered a "handgun").

[franklinarmory]

Since FN USA only makes/sells the M249S as a Title 1 Rifle, would that not play into how it is DROS'd?
^Because of that wouldn't it require a non-FN made M249 receiver in order to be a Title 1 Other.

It certainly would. Will FN sell a Para without installing the stock mechanism? If not, I am sure Machine Gun Armory would play ball.

[neffect]

It certainly would. Will FN sell a Para without installing the stock mechanism? If not, I am sure Machine Gun Armory would play ball.

MGA for the win.