New NON Real ID Drivers Licenses.

[wpod]

I'll be switching to an AZ license later this year.

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[FalconLair]

When has an ID ever established eligibility to purchase firearms?

This!

i think once they started stamping "Federal Limits Apply" it was a game changer how any license or ID presented could suffice - at some point CA will catch up with what's been already long established in most states - the state was the one reluctant to get going with the Real ID program, they waited until the last minute - im sure you know why

The problem is that there used to be two versions of the CA ID/DL due to AB60. The AB60 says that "Federal Limits Apply", which indicated that the person was not here legally. Now with the new requirements ALL of the current licenses switch over to the AB60 version UNLESS you go in with all the required documents and prove yet again you are here legally (I had to show a birth certificate to originally get a license).

So, what do you do when presented with such a license? What is the Federal view of it? What is the CA view of it?

The CA DOJ memo seems to indicate that you can't accept an AB60 ID/DL, but that was before them making this a big mess.

so, real problem is the state sat on their hands while everyone else was implementing the new Real ID program and dealing with its growing pains along the way - now, CA is being forced to catch up, this should've been done in a much more painless manner years ago, but, like i said above, im sure you know why

[I Swan]

What I'm hoping is just to be out of CA before my license expires. What I was wondering is if you show up for DROS with the federal limits apply license but you also bring your USA passport would you think the vast amount of FFL's would be OK with this?

Unless I missed it somehow is there any difference whatsoever from these licenses and the ones issued to illegals?

Here is food for thought too. There is illegals that have been here long enough that had/have regular licenses issued by CA pre circa 1994 when proof of citizenship or legal status was not asked at DMV. I assume they could easily DROS a gun if willing to lie on a 4473?

Same with people with a license but here on a green card or work permit if willing to lie on a 4473 what if anything prevents them from successfully DROSing a gun if they lie and say they are a citizen instead of going through the extra steps non citizens do to buy a gun legally?

[FalconLair]

What I'm hoping is just to be out of CA before my license expires. What I was wondering is if you show up for DROS with the federal limits apply license but you also bring your USA passport would you think the vast amount of FFL's would be OK with this?

Unless I missed it somehow is there any difference whatsoever from these licenses and the ones issued to illegals?

Here is food for thought too. There is illegals that have been here long enough that had/have regular licenses issued by CA pre circa 1994 when proof of citizenship or legal status was not asked at DMV. I assume they could easily DROS a gun if willing to lie on a 4473?

Same with people with a license but here on a green card or work permit if willing to lie on a 4473 what if anything prevents them from successfully DROSing a gun if they lie and say they are a citizen instead of going through the extra steps non citizens do to buy a gun legally?

from what i understood after i moved to NV and had to get a license, the only difference between the 2 is the documentation you provide - of course, that could have a consequence

providing everything gets you the Real ID, which means you have submitted all the documentation necessary to prove citizenship, while, not providing a birth certificate, or other required documents, gets you the one the reads "Federal Limits Apply" - its not proof of citizenship

i would say its not proof that you aren't a citizen, but it limits your license to proof only that you are eligible to legally drive with that particular license, and, it cannot be used to verify your identity in any other way, especially for federal purposes - some non federal places may accept it, some may not, but im pretty sure anything federally related it will be rejected

i don't even know if banks would accept it to open a account

[97F1504RAD]

Just another California Clusterf#*%

[Burbur]

I started taking a tally. So far:

23 - Federal Limits May Apply
1 - Golden Bear

[I Swan]

from what i understood after i moved to NV and had to get a license, the only difference between the 2 is the documentation you provide - of course, that could have a consequence

providing everything gets you the Real ID, which means you have submitted all the documentation necessary to prove citizenship, while, not providing a birth certificate, or other required documents, gets you the one the reads "Federal Limits Apply" - its not proof of citizenship

i would say its not proof that you aren't a citizen, but it limits your license to proof only that you are eligible to legally drive with that particular license, and, it cannot be used to verify your identity in any other way, especially for federal purposes - some non federal places may accept it, some may not, but im pretty sure anything federally related it will be rejected

i don't even know if banks would accept it to open a account

Bank have given accounts to illegals since the early 2000's the almighty dollar rules all.

[FalconLair]

Bank have given accounts to illegals since the early 2000's the almighty dollar rules all.

that might be part of the changing tide though - to open an account you still need some form of valid ID and banks are federal

how people here illegally opened accounts before is beyond my knowledge, but, what im trying to say is that they may no longer accept a license or ID if they have "Federal Limits Apply" attached

when i was talking to NV DMV about this, like i said, i didn't have my birth certificate with me, so, for a moment i myself was contemplating just supplying the information to get me a drivers license, even if it had the "Federal Limits Apply" noted - after finding out it was pretty much useless for anything other than driving i decided i best get my birth certificate sent to me and get my Real ID

so many things are connected with having a valid identification, such as a license or ID, and, according to the DMV my restricted license would not suffice for many of those things - i would imagine the same holding true for trying to use that restricted license to open a bank account

and, another point, the "Federal Limits Apply" license is only good in the state issued - out of state local and federal law enforcement agencies are not obligated to accept your license as a form of identication

[Chewy65]

Q: How does REAL ID implementation impact states that provide driver's licenses and IDs to certain non-citizens/undocumented immigrants?
REAL ID allows compliant states to issue driver's licenses and identification cards where the identity of the applicant cannot be assured or for whom lawful presence is not determined. In fact, some states currently issue such noncompliant cards to undocumented individuals. These cards must clearly state on their face (and in the machine readable zone) that it is not acceptable for official purposes and must use a unique design or color to differentiate them from compliant cards. DHS cautions against assuming that possession of a noncompliant card indicates the holder is an undocumented individual, given that several states issue noncompliant licenses for reasons unrelated to lawful presence.

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id-public-faqs

Is using the license to purchase a firearm a use for "official business" and do this Federal Limits Apply licenses comply with that FAQ from Homeland Security?

[Quiet]

I started taking a tally. So far:

23 - Federal Limits May Apply
1 - Golden Bear

CA DMV started issuing the REAL ID compliant CA DL/ID on 01-22-2018.
^Not that many have been issued out, it's been less than 4 weeks.

[I Swan]

that might be part of the changing tide though - to open an account you still need some form of valid ID and banks are federal

how people here illegally opened accounts before is beyond my knowledge, but, what im trying to say is that they may no longer accept a license or ID if they have "Federal Limits Apply" attached

when i was talking to NV DMV about this, like i said, i didn't have my birth certificate with me, so, for a moment i myself was contemplating just supplying the information to get me a drivers license, even if it had the "Federal Limits Apply" noted - after finding out it was pretty much useless for anything other than driving i decided i best get my birth certificate sent to me and get my Real ID

so many things are connected with having a valid identification, such as a license or ID, and, according to the DMV my restricted license would not suffice for many of those things - i would imagine the same holding true for trying to use that restricted license to open a bank account

and, another point, the "Federal Limits Apply" license is only good in the state issued - out of state local and federal law enforcement agencies are not obligated to accept your license as a form of identication

It won't matter for banks. In the days before illegals could get a CA ID they just used a Mexican ID or passport there is some questionable ID you can get at a Mexican consulate called a matricular consular or something like that that even some Mexican states I believe don't accept as valid!

[FalconLair]

It won't matter for banks. In the days before illegals could get a CA ID they just used a Mexican ID or passport there is some questionable ID you can get at a Mexican consulate called a matricular consular or something like that that even some Mexican states I believe don't accept as valid!

this might interest you - i consider this a "workaround", a way to live here in the United States illegally and still open accounts, obtain credit, even report your income using this TIN, even without having a social security number - when i owned my own business i had to obtain a federal tax id number (TIN) listing my DBA (doing business as) - i did not know they allowed people here illegally to obtain a TIN in order to report income - i guess as long as the IRS get's their due they don't care about whether you're legally eligible to work in this country - same for banks too, it seems

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/banking/undocumented-immigrants-bank-accounts/

Identification number

[rkt88edmo]

CA DMV started issuing the REAL ID compliant CA DL/ID on 01-22-2018.
^Not that many have been issued out, it's been less than 4 weeks.

My understanding is that the REAL ID will still only be issued if you renew in person and have the documentation and request it. Since most people renew by mail unless they are do for a new test, they will not receive the REAL ID version. The firearm purchase eligibility rules seem sort of effed until they fix this or issue a better memo.

[Kyle1886]

Curious question:

When I got my last DL the DMV also issued a ID that looks just like the DL with a couple of variations to distinguish the two. (If over 70 years of age, the ID is a "bonus").

Drivers license is for 4 years but the ID is good for 10 years.

Say at some point in the future I surrender the DL or choose to use the ID instead of the DL, will a FFL accept the ID? I have not read anything about a "REAL-ID" just the DL.

Thank you.

Respectfully
Kyle

[FresnoRob]

My current license is good until 2020 so I’m guessing I don’t need to worry about it until then. I would be one of those who would renew by mail if possible.
Nice to know that may hinder me in some fashion. I do have a passport I am guessing I could use it instead of the Real-ID? I know most people are not in the habit of carrying around a passport.