New NON Real ID Drivers Licenses.

[ugimports]

Here's a few issues I have with the memo regarding AB 60 licenses and the new DMV regulations regarding 'real ID's'.

1. The memo dated 2-10-16 never says we have to prove lawful immigration status. We don't do that now with normal ID's. It merely states what we already knew is that persons unlawfully in the US may not buy firearms.

2. Before it was easy to spot who was here legally and not based on the fact of nobody here legally would have a 'federal limits apply' ID. Now we have US citizens being issued the same ID's with the same wording as somebody here legally. If somebody states they are a US citizen and answers the 4473 correctly why wouldn't we submit their DROS using their newly issued NON-REAL ID?

3. I don't see how anybody that's a US citizen would be denied their right to purchase because their state issues the same ID to them that they do to an illegal immigrant.

We just had our first case of this here the other day. Guy is US citizen, DROS'd before and got approved. Renewed his DL as usual and got this new Federal Limits Apply ID.

What is everyone doing with these now? Is anybody turning somebody away because of their ID?

We won't be turning them away.. I still ask them are you a US citizen when they say they are not born in the US. If they lie to me and on the 4473 then hopefully DOJ does their job and denies and arrests them if they are using an AB60 license. Doubtful that will occur though.

[OCArmory]

I am just going to take them. Lost the sale on the first one. State hasn't provided an answer so screw em. I am having a hard enough time trying to make a living.

[sealocan]

So this will be the actual difference between a citizen and a civilian?

[acespawnshop]

We took this one yesterday and said F this. I cant play these sort of games. This is the law of unintended consequences with stupid laws like AB60 get passed.

[shootsocal_dave]

THE BULITEN STATES The purpose of this notice is to advise California Firearms Dealers (CFDs) that the AB 60
driver’s licenses are meant to grant the licensee legal ability to drive and does not
establish eligibility to purchase firearms. The purpose of this notice is to advise California Firearms Dealers (CFDs) that the AB 60
driver’s licenses are meant to grant the licensee legal ability to drive and does not
establish eligibility to purchase firearms. "

It didnt say we cant use the ID, it just said it doesnt mean automticly they can buy guns.

[njineermike]

California: Proof that with enough idiots in charge, you really can screw every single thing up.

[9mmContagion]

Just DROSd at Turners, and they about turned me away.. I’m a regular there and they ultimately let me submit. Hope nothing happens on DOJ side, though I don’t believe they can see the difference in ID. That is unless it automatically pops up as “Federal Limits Apply.” I offered my old ID that isn’t expired, but will expire before the 10 days and they said, “negative.” Fingers crossed!

[acespawnshop]

When has an ID ever established eligibility to purchase firearms?

[shootsocal_dave]

Exactly. It is a null and void bulletin now that more than more than just non-residents are being issued them.

[acespawnshop]

Exactly. It is a null and void bulletin now that more than more than just non-residents are being issued them.

Right, but you have people like mentioned above that were being turned away at turners because of the bulletin.

I'm actually pissed they're doing this to US citizens, and like OC said he passed on the first one he saw. This is not only putting us dealers in a pickle but infringing on US citizens rights.

How about this one, what if somebody has this ID, lies on the 4473 and CA doesn't catch their immigration status as part of the NICS/Background check and they take it home. WTF can of worms are they opening here.

[taperxz]

When has an ID ever established eligibility to purchase firearms?

This!

[kemasa]

A government ID should prove legal status in the country, but today it doesn't.

[acespawnshop]

Right. So absurd.

[theotherone]

so what are we thinking on this?

Accepting non ab60 federal limits apply IDs? or no go and is there a noticable difference between ab60 ID's and no ab60?

[kemasa]

The problem is that there used to be two versions of the CA ID/DL due to AB60. The AB60 says that "Federal Limits Apply", which indicated that the person was not here legally. Now with the new requirements ALL of the current licenses switch over to the AB60 version UNLESS you go in with all the required documents and prove yet again you are here legally (I had to show a birth certificate to originally get a license).

So, what do you do when presented with such a license? What is the Federal view of it? What is the CA view of it?

The CA DOJ memo seems to indicate that you can't accept an AB60 ID/DL, but that was before them making this a big mess.