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  • gothtac
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2017
    • 12

    How to transact money During PPT/FFL

    I can't find this anywhere on the boards, could be I'm just missing it... if so apologies.

    The question for the folks doing this a bit. How do you successfully transact funds for something like a person to person live PPT ? Steps would be helpful.

    1. DO the FFL handover
    2. Check an ID (CA says to do this i think)
    3. SIgh a receipt, write what happens if DROS rejects, etc...
    4. GIve all the money right then up front and go separate ways.

    Do you do partial amounts?
    Do you do checks or cash ?
    Is it cool to have someone at the FFL / gun shop inspect the gun before you move forward?

    sorry, but I have just not done one of these.

    thnx
  • #2
    kemasa
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jun 2005
    • 10706

    Normally, the people meet, the buyer inspects the firearm and if it is acceptable, they go to the FFL and the seller gets the money. Some FFLs get weird about the money and where the firearm gets inspected, but I don't get why, so ask the FFL.

    The seller has to sign the DROS at the start.

    Any other details can be arranged.
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    • #3
      CSACANNONEER
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      • Dec 2006
      • 44093

      I meet at a FFL, hand the seller cash outside the store, walk in and do a PPT. Sometimes I hand cash while in the store. Hell, I've been know to paypal the total to a calgunner I had never met a month prior to even setting up a date to do a PPT. He held the firearms until he made a 6 hour trip down here to do the PPT. It really depends on how you want to do it. Of course, don't even suggest something stupid like paying part now and part after pick up.
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      • #4
        71MUSTY
        Calguns Addict
        • Mar 2014
        • 7029

        Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
        I meet at a FFL, hand the seller cash outside the store, walk in and do a PPT. Sometimes I hand cash while in the store. Hell, I've been know to paypal the total to a calgunner I had never met a month prior to even setting up a date to do a PPT. He held the firearms until he made a 6 hour trip down here to do the PPT. It really depends on how you want to do it. Of course, don't even suggest something stupid like paying part now and part after pick up.
        ^^I have done this.

        But usually we meet at the LGS (Avoid big chains with stupid rules when possible) Inform Employee we are doing a PPT.

        Make sure you have all your needed documents ready in advance.

        I inspect the weapon (not with a microscope) and tell the LGS to start PPT.
        I then hand the seller his cash in an envelope so he can inspect (count) it if he wishes and make a joke "Be careful, the ink is still wet". Or "Here's your roses"
        Most chuckle, only one guy looked like he wanted to hit me.

        LGS does the paperwork and we leave.

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        • #5
          Mayor McRifle
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2013
          • 7665

          Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
          I meet at a FFL, hand the seller cash outside the store, walk in and do a PPT. Sometimes I hand cash while in the store.
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          • #6
            71MUSTY
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2014
            • 7029

            Originally posted by Mayor McRifle
            Exactly. OP, it doesn’t have to be complicated. But I do put the cash in an envelope. The coolest sellers take the envelope and put it in their pocket without counting it.
            ^^TRUE^^^One called me later to tell me I overpaid his $15.00 (I didn't have change). I said have beer or two on me. His rifle (now mine) was so BAAAD it was worth it.
            Only slaves don't need guns

            Originally posted by epilepticninja
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            We stand for the Anthem, we kneel for the cross


            We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls.


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            • #7
              SkyHawk
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Sep 2012
              • 23509

              Cash in hand before any paperwork gets started. And I like to have my sellers count it, because if there is any question as to the count of bills I want it addressed and resolved right then, and not later. So I ask them to count it.

              Most FFLs are OK with cash changing hands in the store, but some are not so you need to handle it outside.
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              • #8
                Tyke8319
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
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                • Nov 2013
                • 2105

                Originally posted by Mayor McRifle
                Exactly. The coolest sellers take the envelope and put it in their pocket without counting it.
                With all due respect, please do not come into my store and tell me you want to buy that rifle on the shelf, hand me an envelope and not expect me to examine and count it.

                Can you imagine a car dealer doing that...??

                Just doesn't make sense...

                And, honesty has nothing to with it. Mistakes happen.
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                • #9
                  gimmejr
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 1613

                  Originally posted by Tyke8319
                  With all due respect, please do not come into my store and tell me you want to buy that rifle on the shelf, hand me an envelope and not expect me to examine and count it.

                  Can you imagine a car dealer doing that...??

                  Just doesn't make sense...

                  And, honesty has nothing to with it. Mistakes happen.
                  Some people dont get sarcasm.

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                  • #10
                    71MUSTY
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 7029

                    Originally posted by Tyke8319
                    With all due respect, please do not come into my store and tell me you want to buy that rifle on the shelf, hand me an envelope and not expect me to examine and count it.

                    Can you imagine a car dealer doing that...??

                    Just doesn't make sense...

                    And, honesty has nothing to with it. Mistakes happen.
                    We were talking about PPT's Not retailers.
                    Only slaves don't need guns

                    Originally posted by epilepticninja
                    Americans vs. Democrats
                    We stand for the Anthem, we kneel for the cross


                    We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls.


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                    • #11
                      kemasa
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 10706

                      Communication in a text based medium often has problems.
                      Kemasa.
                      False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

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                      • #12
                        Chewy65
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Dec 2013
                        • 5041

                        I would suggest first determining whether or not the chosen FFL delivers should the buyer end up an undetermined. Also, will the FFL return the firearm to the seller should the buyer's application be denied, if the seller 's status goes to undetermined.

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                        • #13
                          condor
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 1102

                          I've done quite a few PPT's, and my method is to inspect the gun and agree on a price with the seller. We then go into the store and do the PPT. After we are out of the store I hand the seller the money. It's my understanding that if money changes hands in the store it's considered an in-store transaction, and a whole 'nother set of rules apply. I pay in cash and count it right then. That way money hadn't changed hands and the PPT went south for some reason or another...

                          I also ask for the sellers DL#and a simple receipt. I sold to________ for __$____ 1ea. S/N______ MAKE____________ Model________

                          Seller Signs and dates it.

                          I've never had anyone complain, and it gives me a little evidence of the cash transaction...
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                          • #14
                            Cokebottle
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                            • Oct 2009
                            • 32373

                            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                            Of course, don't even suggest something stupid like paying part now and part after pick up.
                            This.

                            It's not the seller's problem if you can't pass background.
                            Don't *expect* the seller to give you a refund if you don't clear BG.
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                            • #15
                              Cokebottle
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                              • Oct 2009
                              • 32373

                              Originally posted by condor
                              It's my understanding that if money changes hands in the store it's considered an in-store transaction, and a whole 'nother set of rules apply.
                              Nope. That's a made-up policy from the FFL, there is no legal basis for it.
                              - Rich

                              Originally posted by dantodd
                              A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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