Kicked out after dealer refused to PPT - legality?

[kemasa]

So what was the make and model of your complete lower. I might have the same answer for you as your dealer if your lower was on either the Kasler or Roberti Roos list?????

It does not matter if it is listed by name since a lower is not semi-auto so it isn't a so-called a-salt weapon.

[acespawnshop]

It does not matter if it is listed by name since a lower is not semi-auto so it isn't a so-called a-salt weapon.

Agreed, however I can see how that could be a basis for why the OG FFL didn't want to handle it. And that begs the question who would want to own a receiver that they ultimately cant do anything with here in CA. I guess if you had plans to leave the state and build it later, but still...

[rbetts]

And since I know of no dealer willing to transfer a Bushmaster XM 15 Receiver or a DPMS Panther Receiver or a Colt Sporter receiver, No fault for a dealer to say no. . . .I sure wouldn't transfer one Kemasa. When was the last time you transferred an on-list receiver in a PPT ??

[kemasa]

As long as it is not semi-auto, it is legal. It is asking for trouble having it since not all LEOs and/or DAs might know that it is required to be a semi-auto.

So since it is not illegal, would you just refuse to transfer it just because? We say there is enough problems with the laws in CA, but then when it isn't even illegal some refuse and are basically making up new laws.

[taperxz]

As long as it is not semi-auto, it is legal. It is asking for trouble having it since not all LEOs and/or DAs might know that it is required to be a semi-auto.

So since it is not illegal, would you just refuse to transfer it just because? We say there is enough problems with the laws in CA, but then when it isn't even illegal some refuse and are basically making up new laws.

I've never tried this but, wouldn't DROS kick it out when entering the model?

[kemasa]

I've never tried this but, wouldn't DROS kick it out when entering the model?

I don't know. If you notice in other threads, a SKS gets refused unless you add "fixed". You might have to include non-semi-auto.

Notice that for lowers you have to make up what type of firearm it might become. I recently saw a thread about a pump action AR upper.

[Gryff]

I wasn't mad about the denial of me, it was about the fact they thought we would do something illegal, but aye, it's a business and they're allowed to practice however they see fit.

It's hard to trust when it could mean losing your business. The concern about causing offense would be less important to me than the thought of losing my store.

But in reality you can't blame a FFL that won't transfer, blame a populous that has made it a point to not ban together to out vote gun restrictions. Blame the people who are lining up to register, then bragging about it online.

LOL. You sound like the goofs on GunBroker who act like we did this to ourselves. You could take every person on Calguns and get them to vote the and we would still lose by a factor of five. If there was any hope for us, then there wouldn't be a screaming super-majority for the Dems in Sacramento.

And I'll be registering my relevant rifles. Once upon a time, I listened before to some dip **** who said "Don't register them because they'll just come and seize them!" and I ended up with guns that were a felony to do anything with other than store out of state, and I ended up losing anyway (better to have sold them than never shoot them).

[kemasa]

Do you try to educate people? Learning to discuss the issue with liberals can be interesting and sometimes they actually learn. You have to stay calm though.

[taperxz]

Do you try to educate people? Learning to discuss the issue with liberals can be interesting and sometimes they actually learn. You have to stay calm though.

Which is exactly why I did the CNN show United Shades of America. Our entire discussion wasn't aired but Kamau learned quite a few things about CA and gun laws.

[rbetts]

So Kemasa, Can I send all the folks here in Sacramento that want an XM 15 receiver or a Colt Sporter or an Olympic arms Receiver to you? Care to advertise that you are willing to transfer one of these banned by name receivers? Seriously??

[flectarn]

So what was the make and model of your complete lower. I might have the same answer for you as your dealer if your lower was on either the Kasler or Roberti Roos list?????

Is this a question? I feel like you're making assumptions right out of the gate.

It was a Knight's SR-30 Lower Receiver.


No, he wasn't scared it was a KAC lower. He told me to take it out side and remove the pistol grip, the buffer tube, and the "bullet button." (Which was a standard magazine catch, since it's just a lower)

[flectarn]

I am not stabbing at dealers, just curious as legality. But it seems safe to say if a dealer truly believes a receiver is illegal, it's within his rights and legal obligation to not transfer it.

[rustyx]

Is this a question? I feel like you're making assumptions right out of the gate.



It was a Knight's SR-30 Lower Receiver.





No, he wasn't scared it was a KAC lower. He told me to take it out side and remove the pistol grip, the buffer tube, and the "bullet button." (Which was a standard magazine catch, since it's just a lower)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the roll mark on the receiver only matters if it is SACF right? Anyone can own any lower, but the configuration is what matters, correct?

[rbetts]

So since it is not illegal, would you just refuse to transfer it just because?

Why yes, Yes I would refuse to transfer a Kasler list or Roberti Roos listed firearm. I am not going to aid or abet the transfer of a listed assault weapon even in receiver form. WHY, you might ask? Because I enjoy the little bits of freedom I have left and I am not racing to be the crash test dummy for the gun grabbers in this state who would publicize my actions for all to see. Even if there was a razor thin shred of assumed or perceived legality and over the objections and guffaws of the armchair go getters here at Calguns.

However, Should you and your establishment want to ride the bullet train to prove a point, Let me know and I'll have my customers so desirous of a said listed firearm (RECEIVER) head your way. And then when the Local DA or DOJ gets wind of your actions. . . . . . . . . .Well, I hope you have deep pockets.

[rbetts]

Is this a question? I feel like you're making assumptions right out of the gate.

It was a Knight's SR-30 Lower Receiver.

Knights SR-30 receivers are good to go, since they are not on the list. The first dealer should have done the transaction and obviously didn't have the Kasler or Roberti Roos Lists in front of him. . . .