Transfer of an incomplete firearm

[ap3572001]

What are the regulations in California regarding a private party transfer of an INCOMPLETE firearm? Example : ruger mini 14 without a stock and a bolt? Colt 1911 without a barrel and hammer ? Etc.

[Spyder]

Same regulations, still has to go through an FFL if the receiver is part of the package.

[taperxz]

What are the regulations in California regarding a private party transfer of an INCOMPLETE firearm? Example : ruger mini 14 without a stock and a bolt? Colt 1911 without a barrel and hammer ? Etc.

New handguns must be on the roster and sold per specs.

Nothing banned by name

All else is good to go as a receiver, frame or slightly more and up to a completed firearm.

[kemasa]

New handguns must be on the roster and sold per specs.

Nothing banned by name

All else is good to go as a receiver, frame or slightly more and up to a completed firearm.

A CA PPT is exempt from the certified list.

The ban by name only applies if it semi-auto. Correction: only semi-auto matters, not whether it is center-fire..

[taperxz]

A CA PPT is exempt from the certified list.

The ban by name only applies if it semi-auto and center-fire.

I just listed things in general.

Don't you mean "features" apply if semi auto and center fire?

Ban by name is banned by name. I need another cup o joe too.

[kemasa]

I just listed things in general.

Don't you mean "features" apply if semi auto and center fire?

Ban by name is banned by name. I need another cup o joe too.

There was a specific question in this thread.

I did not mention that features only apply if it is semi-auto and center-fire for long guns. I recall for handguns it is only semi-auto.


No, the ban by name is only banned by name IF it is semi-auto (Correction: center-fire does not matter). Go look at the actual law. It can be a problem regardless since not everyone knows that.

[taperxz]

There was a specific question in this thread.

I did not mention that features only apply if it is semi-auto and center-fire for long guns. I recall for handguns it is only semi-auto.


No, the ban by name is only banned by name IF it is semi-auto AND center-fire. Go look at the actual law. It can be a problem regardless since not everyone knows that.

Interesting. So if you have a stripped AR lower that's banned by name, you can keep it if its unregistered post Roberti Roos?

[kemasa]

Interesting. So if you have a stripped AR lower that's banned by name, you can keep it if its unregistered post Roberti Roos?

As long as it is not semi-auto, it is not an issue. You could make it a bolt action, pump or anything other than semi-auto and it is not banned. It might still be a problem since someone might see the name and think that it is banned though.

Correction to other posts: Center-fire does not matter, only whether it is semi-auto or not.

[Whiterabbit]

how does the tax part work? A stripped single action revolver might come with a bill of sale for $100. You charge tax on 100 and complete the transfer?

Even if the $100 frame, if built, would be a $4000 collectors revolver?

[kemasa]

Well, a frame is not single action, so it is not exempt, which is a problem unless the buyer is exempt.

Whatever the value of the firearm and any other items transferred through the FFL is subject to sales tax. It does not matter what it might become later in terms of the transfer. You are supposed to pay sales/use tax on your income tax for out of state purchases.

[Whiterabbit]

That part is understood. But there is an enormous difference between being able to hand use tax on our own vs forced collection by the FFL because it's mandated and enforced by the .gov

[kemasa]

That part is understood. But there is an enormous difference between being able to hand use tax on our own vs forced collection by the FFL because it's mandated and enforced by the .gov

Anything that goes through a FFL, a CA business, has to be taxed based on the actual amount paid. Games are a problem, so if the amount paid is lower than the actual value, then that is where you could have an issue.

[kemasa]

That part is understood. But there is an enormous difference between being able to hand use tax on our own vs forced collection by the FFL because it's mandated and enforced by the .gov

Oh, let's be honest, the only difference is if you don't intend to pay the tax yourself, which is tax evasion. Both are mandated and enforced by the government. The difference is that one you think that you can get away with. Part of the problem is when you put a FFL at risk with fake amounts on a receipt.

[Whiterabbit]

The point is not to fake the reciept. But if I buy (different example) a mausingfield action for $1500 I should have to pay tax on $1500 at the FFL, not the $6000 custom rifle that it might end up being some day.

That was the point with the revolver frame (which is the custom gunsmithing I have dabbled in)

[kemasa]

The point is not to fake the reciept. But if I buy (different example) a mausingfield action for $1500 I should have to pay tax on $1500 at the FFL, not the $6000 custom rifle that it might end up being some day.

That was the point with the revolver frame (which is the custom gunsmithing I have dabbled in)

You never have to pay sales tax on what it will be worth, just what you actually paid for everything.