PPT of off roster handguns

[RollingCode3]

There were (quite) a few new "classes" of LE that were added to the roster-exempt list this year.
ONLY THESE NEWLY EXEMPT CLASSES are prohibited from executing a PPT to a non-exempt person.

How this will be enforced, I have no clue. Last I saw FFLs don't ask the seller if he is exempt and if so what his job title is.

What if the exempt person bought the off roster handgun PPT, now the exempt person can't sell that off roster? This law makes no sense

[Ubermcoupe]

What if the exempt person bought the off roster handgun PPT, now the exempt person can't sell that off roster? This law makes no sense

In addition to "adding" specifically named peace officer positions to the exempt list, CA AB 2165 amends the ability of the FFL to conduct the transfer of an off-roster item to a non-exempt person if said off-roster item was acquired using the newly created method. I imagine this will be processed in a system like Kemasa alludes to.

That is to say, if one works for ABC or Probation or any of those other "new" listings, they can still transfer off-roster items that may have been received outside of the process (intra-familial transfer, gift from out of state, PPT, etc) that AB 2165 created.

Note: The Op-Law form is not a transfer through an FFL (as the newly defined PC restricts) however the CA DOJ may backdoor by just not accepting the Op-Law report. Otherwise, a mother/father DMV investigator should be able to Op-Law an off roster to their child, for example.

[Librarian]

What if the exempt person bought the off roster handgun PPT, now the exempt person can't sell that off roster? This law makes no sense

Read the law more carefully -

(c) (1) Notwithstanding Section 26825,

a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, shall not process the sale or transfer of an unsafe handgun

between a person who has obtained an unsafe handgun pursuant to an exemption specified in paragraph (6) of subdivision (b)

and a person who is not exempt from the requirements of this section.

Anyone remember MEGO? - My Eyes Glaze Over.

We really have to practice overcoming that when reading statutes; I know it's difficult.

ETA - yes, of course the law makes no sense as a gun law, but that's the general analysis of all CA gun-related laws.

[timeexposure]

Can a cop sell me an off-roster handgun after 2017? I am not exempt.

[Quiet]

Can a cop sell me an off-roster handgun after 2017? I am not exempt.

short answer = No.

[SkyHawk]

short answer = No.

? I thought this law had no effect whatsoever on traditionally exempt LE

[tankton]

? I thought this law had no effect whatsoever on traditionally exempt LE

Think of this question, in this thread, like the "what handgun should I buy" posts we still see. If you have to ask...

[Cokebottle]

Okay....

32000.

And...

(c) (1) Notwithstanding Section 26825, a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, shall not process the sale or transfer of an unsafe handgun between a person who has obtained an unsafe handgun pursuant to an exemption specified in paragraph (6) of subdivision (b) and a person who is not exempt from the requirements of this section.

A "normal" sworn police officer that has always been exempt from the roster may still PPT an off-roster handgun to a non-exempt person.

The only restriction is against those listed under 3200(b)(6)(A) through 3200(b)(6)(S)

[timeexposure]

A "normal" sworn police officer that has always been exempt from the roster may still PPT an off-roster handgun to a non-exempt person.

The only restriction is against those listed under 3200(b)(6)(A) through 3200(b)(6)(S)

Thank you for breaking it down into the "simple" English for me, and apologies again to those who were losing patience with guys like me who weren't getting it.
Coincidentally, I saw my LEO friend today (who had thought he could not do PPT with me after Jan. 1). He told me the same thing. Phew! No law-away before the holidays. What a (financial) relief!

[RollingCode3]

Okay....



And...


A "normal" sworn police officer that has always been exempt from the roster may still PPT an off-roster handgun to a non-exempt person.

The only restriction is against those listed under 3200(b)(6)(A) through 3200(b)(6)(S)

Those listed under 3200(b)(6)(a) through 3200(b) were able to purchase off roster for years until the DOJ sent out the memo last year. Profoce WAS selling off roster handgun to anyone as long as you have the word "peace officer" on your ID. What about those off roster handgun purchases prior to the DOJ sent out the memo?

[Ubermcoupe]

Those listed under 3200(b)(6)(a) through 3200(b) were able to purchase off roster for years until the DOJ sent out the memo last year. Profoce WAS selling off roster handgun to anyone as long as you have the word "peace officer" on your ID. What about those off roster handgun purchases prior to the DOJ sent out the memo?

Bingo - DOJ "regulating" on what they see fit...

The short answer: those purchases were not processed via the exemption outlined ("created") in AB 2165, they were processed via the traditional method and should still be able to be PPT'd away.