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  • archer1212
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2016
    • 14

    Handgun Purchase issue

    I recently purchased my first firearm online.
    Springfield 1911 Loaded
    PX9109LP
    My local FFL guy transfered it into my name
    However I just found out that there is a CA version PX9109LPCA.
    I did not get that version I got the standard version.
    I don't get it though because PX9109L is on the allowed list in CA.
    So do I have anything to worry about because I guess technically I have a version I shouldnt have.
    Can I get into any trouble having this or is it on the FFL for transfering it over?
    If I were to get stopped(on the way to the range or something like that) do they have the right to confiscate it?
    Any help/advice would be appreciated.
  • #2
    Cokebottle
    Seņor Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2009
    • 32373

    If there are discrepancies in the FFL paperwork, it is a problem for the FFL.
    As long as the serial number registered to you in AFS matches the serial number on the gun, you are 100% legal.

    If the gun turns out NOT to be properly registered to you, it is only a legal problem for you if you are caught carrying it concealed... that would be a felony.
    Mere possession of an unregistered gun is not illegal.
    If the FFL mistakenly transferred an off-roster pistol to you and it is legally registered, you are legal. Possession of an off-roster gun is not illegal, as long as it doesn't have a threaded barrel.

    If it does have a threaded barrel, do not say ANYTHING to ANYONE about it, say nothing more in this thread, and immediately contact your attorney and inform him that you are the unwitting recipient of an unregistered assault weapon and need to resolve the situation.
    - Rich

    Originally posted by dantodd
    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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    • #3
      Garv the innocent
      RSG Minion, Senior
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Apr 2014
      • 9024

      We shoot off roster pistols at the range every day so no problem with that assuming the gun is otherwise legal.
      Originally posted by Kestryll:
      It never fails to amuse me how people get outraged but fail to tell the whole story in their rants....

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      • #4
        acespawnshop
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Jun 2012
        • 2852

        Chances are the CA just denotes to the manufacturer that it is on the roster, similar to how the P denotes it could be the "package" Im sure you are good to go.
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        • #5
          archer1212
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2016
          • 14

          Thanks again guys.
          With how California is it seems like one day we won't even be able to buy guns anymore.
          Just didn't want to lose mine on a technicality.
          Really appreciate the in depth added info Cokebottle.

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          • #6
            Cokebottle
            Seņor Member
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2009
            • 32373

            Originally posted by archer1212
            Thanks again guys.
            With how California is it seems like one day we won't even be able to buy guns anymore.
            Sooner than you think.

            At the end of 2013 there were some 600 handguns on the roster.
            Today there are around 300.

            Beretta will be removed when they move production to the new factory, just as Colt will no longer have anything on the roster. S&W is down to the Shield, revolvers, and I think one other model. Likewise Ruger is down to revolvers and only a couple of semi-autos.
            - Rich

            Originally posted by dantodd
            A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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            • #7
              Blade Gunner
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2013
              • 4422

              Originally posted by Cokebottle
              Sooner than you think.

              At the end of 2013 there were some 600 handguns on the roster.
              Today there are around 300.

              Beretta will be removed when they move production to the new factory, just as Colt will no longer have anything on the roster. S&W is down to the Shield, revolvers, and I think one other model. Likewise Ruger is down to revolvers and only a couple of semi-autos.
              I was dreading that Beretta was going to drop completely off the roster for just changing the location of there manufacturing facility. Perhaps the roster has to drop to zero before an abridgment is deemed to have occurred.
              If you find yourself in a fair fight, you're doing it all wrong.

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              • #8
                HappyGunner
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 60

                Originally posted by Cokebottle
                If there are discrepancies in the FFL paperwork, it is a problem for the FFL.
                As long as the serial number registered to you in AFS matches the serial number on the gun, you are 100% legal.

                If the gun turns out NOT to be properly registered to you, it is only a legal problem for you if you are caught carrying it concealed... that would be a felony.
                Mere possession of an unregistered gun is not illegal.
                If the FFL mistakenly transferred an off-roster pistol to you and it is legally registered, you are legal. Possession of an off-roster gun is not illegal, as long as it doesn't have a threaded barrel.

                If it does have a threaded barrel, do not say ANYTHING to ANYONE about it, say nothing more in this thread, and immediately contact your attorney and inform him that you are the unwitting recipient of an unregistered assault weapon and need to resolve the situation.
                Are you serious? Have you ever read the penal code? It's a misdemeanor for a non-exempt person to receive and off roster handgun from a FFL.

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                • #9
                  HappyGunner
                  Junior Member
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 60

                  Originally posted by Cokebottle
                  Sooner than you think.

                  At the end of 2013 there were some 600 handguns on the roster.
                  Today there are around 300.

                  Beretta will be removed when they move production to the new factory, just as Colt will no longer have anything on the roster. S&W is down to the Shield, revolvers, and I think one other model. Likewise Ruger is down to revolvers and only a couple of semi-autos.
                  Ugh... As of right now there are 770 models on the roster. Click here and read for yourself http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns.asp

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                  • #10
                    Cokebottle
                    Seņor Member
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 32373

                    Originally posted by HappyGunner
                    Ugh... As of right now there are 770 models on the roster. Click here and read for yourself http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns.asp
                    Should have clarified "Semiautomatic"
                    That is what is being impacted by microstamping.
                    - Rich

                    Originally posted by dantodd
                    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                    • #11
                      archer1212
                      Junior Member
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 14

                      Thats insane.
                      Definately makes me feel better about my purchase now.
                      Might have to purchase something else now too

                      Originally posted by Cokebottle
                      Sooner than you think.

                      At the end of 2013 there were some 600 handguns on the roster.
                      Today there are around 300.

                      Beretta will be removed when they move production to the new factory, just as Colt will no longer have anything on the roster. S&W is down to the Shield, revolvers, and I think one other model. Likewise Ruger is down to revolvers and only a couple of semi-autos.

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                      • #12
                        archer1212
                        Junior Member
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 14

                        I was told by the online company (a large retailer) to see if my FFL will transfer over the technicality, some won't, some will. But that if they don't have an issue with it then there is nothing for me to worry about.
                        Also spoke with the FFL and they said don't worry about it also that it is just another way CA bullsh*ts us.
                        Its just a 1911, no threaded barrel, 7 round mag, safety. Nothing out of the norm.

                        Originally posted by HappyGunner
                        Are you serious? Have you ever read the penal code? It's a misdemeanor for a non-exempt person to receive and off roster handgun from a FFL.

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                        • #13
                          Dvrjon
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 11338

                          Originally posted by HappyGunner
                          Are you serious? Have you ever read the penal code? It's a misdemeanor for a non-exempt person to receive and off roster handgun from a FFL.
                          Citation, please? Specifically, a prohibition on the receipt of an off-roster gun from an FFL.

                          Firearm transfers must go through an FFL. PPT is a firearm transfer. PPT can be conducted between exempt/non-exempt individuals. PPT is exempt from the Roster requirements.

                          Thanks.
                          Last edited by Dvrjon; 11-02-2016, 10:32 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Dvrjon
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 11338

                            Originally posted by Cokebottle
                            If the gun turns out NOT to be properly registered to you, it is only a legal problem for you if you are caught carrying it concealed... that would be a felony.
                            A slight clarification. The statute seems to provide that the weapon be loaded (or ammunition nearby) and then may be charged as a misdemeanor or as a felony.

                            Best.

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                            • #15
                              baggss
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 3439

                              Originally posted by Cokebottle
                              Sooner than you think.

                              At the end of 2013 there were some 600 handguns on the roster.
                              Today there are around 300
                              Just for clarity, there are 770 Handguns on the 2016 roster. Not ALL of them drop off on 1 Jan 2017 either. There are ~80 that are listed as dropping off on 1 Jan 2018.

                              Last edited by baggss; 11-03-2016, 4:30 AM.

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