Customers Admitting To Breaking Law

[Bobshouse]

Call the ATF and see what they have to say.

[ugimports]

Call the ATF and see what they have to say.

Anytime you hear customers jibber jabbering about something potentially stupid you've called the ATF? Who do you call and how do you report it? Does it go long the lines of "A customer told me a story of something they allegedly did, please go check it out? No I have no proof of the crime they were just talking."

[audiophil2]

Call the ATF and see what they have to say.

ATF does not care. ATF is in the business of assisting with illegal activities AKA gunwalker.

I used to work with a friend that ATF forced to assist with walking guns across the border. Guys would come in wearing overalls and driving landscaping trucks and plunk down $12k in cash for M2 brownings. The guy would get a delay from the FBI and ATF would call in immediately and tell my friend to allow the transaction to go through after the 3 day hold. ATF promised to be waiting outside so they could arrest the guy but they never showed up. This happened dozens of times. He tried to stop when he felt guilty about what his guns were used for and told ATF he would stop all sales. ATF summoned him to their office and told him if he stopped selling guns to the cartels they would pull his FFL. After awhile my friend would just raise prices to get them to not buy but they never complained. He was selling $400 wsrs for $1200, $700 38supers for $2000, and barrett M82s for $12k. All cash sales. Then the gunwalking thing was made public and he was able to stop selling.

They used to buy 10-20 AKs at a time. ATF exempted my friend from having to report multiple sales. I was there when he got the exemption letter.

[Baboosh]

We've cancelled transactions in the past, sometimes due to sellers and others to buyers. We explain why, the situation it puts us in and just apologize.

We have had LEO bring in Mark 23 and FNX 45 Tacticals with barrels installed and we tell them that's an assault weapon. They say they are exempt, we say yes from the roster not AW laws. They argue and say the buyer wants to see it installed. We ask them to leave and inform them by them being here with that puts our license at risk and we cannot be held responsible for their inability to follow the law. Apologize to the buyer and explain it and send them on their way.

I am NOT anti LEO but we get a lot of attitude from cops when we try and educate them on the laws they break.

[ugimports]

I just had an LEO tell me he purchased some lever action he wanted from the Reno Gun Show. Was happy that it was cash and carry with a private party. I informed him that what he did was illegal and it should have been shipped to an FFL in CA for transfer. The topic quickly changed.

[ziconceo]

I've had many people come into the store I work at and show complete ignorance of the laws. Sometimes they tell me stories of how they broke laws (unknowingly). I always keep a neutral position and politely let them know they are looking for years in prison. Then I refer them to calguns to read up on the laws themselves.

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[audiophil2]

I had a guy call in over the weekend telling me he was prohibited for a DV when he went to his FFL to have his background run. I felt sorry for him so I refunded him in full instead of giving him a 20% restocking charge.

He then tells me to expect a new order from someone else for the exact same gun.

[Josh3239]

People come in and talk about their illegal stuff all the time. It is incredibly annoying, I hate the laws here and don't believe they are being immoral but it is incredibly moronic to brag about it in a public place (frequented by LEO no less), and brag as if they have outsmarted everyone.

I am NOT anti LEO but we get a lot of attitude from cops when we try and educate them on the laws they break.

Cops think they are exempt from everything. I had a cop tell me he is exempt from a 4473 and SBR laws. Retired LE constantly think >10rds and off roster guns are okay for them.

He then tells me to expect a new order from someone else for the exact same gun.

That is one of the most common responses from the guys who get denied. They bring in their sons, dads, grandparents or a "friend" to buy the gun with their deposit. The straws are very annoying.

[Jeep67cj5]

It's none of your business. Just do the legal transaction that is in front of you, people talk, that doesn't mean it's true.

[kemasa]

Actually, it is the business of the FFL. The FFL doesn't want people thinking that they will find illegal things acceptable and it is the FFL's place of business.

I would tell the person that what they are saying is admitting to an illegal act and if they are a criminal, then no transfers/sales for them. Remember if the FFL knows of a problem, they can do proceed with the transfer.

[I Swan]

I wonder if the cop only gun shops like ProForce have to deal with all the whining and entitlement?

[Baboosh]

It's none of your business. Just do the legal transaction that is in front of you, people talk, that doesn't mean it's true.

Actually it is our business but thank you for playing.

[A-J]

What would be the purpose of canceling the sale? If you were an auto salesman and your customer talked about how he liked to race down the freeway would you not sell the car? If you work at an AT&T store and the customer talked about calling his booky would you not sell the phone?

The difference is that car and phone dealers won't be called in and face charges and/or losing their license over an argument of "you knew or should have known that the person was a prohibited buyer".

Isn't the purpose of the background check to catch the "bad guys"?

No, the purpose is to make it of an inconvenience to buying a gun. It serves none of the proposed "purposes" for which it was intended.

[ugimports]

The difference is that car and phone dealers won't be called in and face charges and/or losing their license over an argument of "you knew or should have known that the person was a prohibited buyer".

How would I know that? Isn't everyone innocent until proven guilty? Maybe they mis-stated something or I didn't have all the facts. I don't probe and ask questions and I am NOT a lawyer. Likewise, everything is hearsay. To my knowledge it's all rumor and could even be legal and I'm the one that's wrong. Are you also telling me that I'm supposed to assume an active LEO is a prohibited buyer if they say something stupid..really? That just doesn't make sense. I'd love to get pulled into court and questioned why I completed the transfer to an active LEO that provided me their credentials. If the state is so sure they are prohibited why they hell are they active LEO.

No, the purpose is to make it of an inconvenience to buying a gun. It serves none of the proposed "purposes" for which it was intended.

So you're saying the FFL is the judge/jury on who should own a firearm and regardless of what comes back with the background check it's up to us and we are liable to catch the bad guys? No firearm dealer would be in business if that was the case.