Problems with Hand gun Frame Purchase

[RLara]

[djbooya]

Are you licensed as a Type 07-FFL?
If you are, then you can legally do this (manufacturing a receiver into a handgun). Just like TARP.

What law prevents a consumer from building a legally compliant single shot pistol?

The issue is how said consumer gets a frame to do so which I outlined my theory of how I think it could be legal in the future. What PC about the roster addresses frames (it may be there and I don't know)?

Previously the main reasons people could not DROS frames was twofold:
1) roster issues
2) safe handling demo issues

I opine that #1 goes away if you intend to build a SSE compliant pistol, thus roster not applying

I opine that #2 goes away if DOJ says SHD are not required for frames or receivers or if you are already exempt (CCW holder, guard card firearm holder, etc...)

Nowhere do I understand an individual consumer has to hold an 07 FFL to build a SSE pistol otherwise 80% lower builds to AR pistols would be illegal, correct?

[djbooya]

Right now it is debatable if you can get the frame (hence the discussion in this thread). I believe it will soon be possible. Others, based on current laws/previous knowledge believe otherwise.

In short, it's not as easy as AR builds due to the CA DOJ Roster complicating anything to do with a handgun. Nobody can tell you for sure if it will be legal and even if the opinion is that it will be you will need to find an FFL willing to transfer just the frame to you. You'll also need to take the risk that DOJ may choose to reject the DROS for whatever stupid reason they come up with.

In person Private Party Transfers (PPTs) get around this issue because those transactions are CA DOJ Roster exempt. There may or may not still be an issue how you would do the safe handling demo in that situation which would still need to be addressed until CA DOJ clarifies how that is supposed to happen. In theory the need to do a SHD on frames/receivers will go away (based on their Emergency Filing text they are preparing to make into law?)

Sorry, it is so complicated and hard to understand, but we live in CA and hopefully this helps to clarify some points. Others I'm sure will point out anywhere I may have misspoke as well.

[RLara]

[kemasa]

Yeah, that is basically the way it works.

Just having an out of state relative does not work since there is the issue of it being a straw purchase if the intent is to get it to you.

If a private party is selling what you are looking for, then you could buy it. Otherwise, you are SOL.

[keenkeen]

Let me see if I’ve got this straight. There is no way to replace a, beyond repair, broken frame based on current California hand gun laws. So a piece of hardware, that is repairable by replacing that broken part cannot legally be done in California. All I can do now is try and sell the non broken pieces and go out and buy a new gun to replace it?

Excuse my rant, but this is situation is so frustrating me. So there is no legal way for me to repair my gun? Any legal “out of the box” way to do it. Librarian mentioned one could conceivably buy a frame from a PPT. But after reading Sky.Hawk’s post, the person I do the PPT with would have to be an out of state relative. So having a friend out of state with a frame then giving it to me can’t be done?

I can show the cracks in the frame to prove it’s broken and even willing to smash the broken frame to bits, in front of some legal entity to prove that it will not be used to make another gun.

But a used gen 2 via PPT in CA and then you will have extra parts to keep in running for many years...

Have a parent or child out of state gift you one...

Move...

That is about it.

[scarry scarney]

Have you checked into the possibility of returning the complete firearm to Glock for repair? You ship it directly to Glock via FedEx or UPS. They fix (or replace the frame) and return it back to you. If there is a serial number change (if they change the frame, the new frame will have a suffix of "a" at the end of the serial number, ie G123 is now G123a). Then you would "deregister" the old serial number, and "vol reg" your new serial number.

[scott_kart]

Have you contacted Glock about them replacing the frame and installing your other parts and then shipping it back to an FFL for you to DROS, it is roster compliant then.

[ugimports]

Have you checked into the possibility of returning the complete firearm to Glock for repair? You ship it directly to Glock via FedEx or UPS. They fix (or replace the frame) and return it back to you. If there is a serial number change (if they change the frame, the new frame will have a suffix of "a" at the end of the serial number, ie G123 is now G123a). Then you would "deregister" the old serial number, and "vol reg" your new serial number.

I did not see that "a" at the end of the serial number for a frame change for a customer I recently did a DROS for. Where did you get that from? Why would Glock create a custom serial number to replace a frame rather then just pick one up off the factory floor?

Also, you are wrong about the volreg... if the serial number changes it must go through an FFL. Not sure where you got that information from. I do not know a single manufacturer that will send back to owner if serial number changes. I've had several customers that sent their firearm back to manufacturer and when serial number changed they had it routed through me. The list I can remember off top of my head are:
1) Glock
2) Sig Sauer
3) Ruger
4) Smith & Wesson
5) Rock Island Armory (Armscor)

[cosmos7]

Your best option is to just sell the upper and buy a new or used complete G22. You're going to save money over the frame-only route even if you buy a brand new gun, so why deal with the hassle?