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**CaliforniaLiberal** · 10-07-2014, 5:13 PM

Originally posted by RAMCLAP

It is relational. When Jesus said, "my Father" the word he used was Abba. It is not the Formal "Father". It is the familiar "Daddy". Prayer is essentially having a conversation with your Daddy in Heaven. However, Jesus also taught us that you are to have the highest respect knowing that His name is Hallowed. So, he isn't our cosmic butler who exists to give us whatever we want. So, try not to come to Him with your list of demands. Come to Him as your Father and have a relationship with Him. Many times, if not most times His answers aren't immediate. Also, many times the answer is, "no". But we are still to be relational with Him. He wants the best for us as any father wants for his children, and He wants to take part in our lives. Prayer is how He chooses to conduct that relationship.

Is this a one sided conversation or do you hear God's voice in reply?

How shall I participate in a relationship when I am the only one talking?

**CaliforniaLiberal** · 10-07-2014, 5:18 PM

Originally posted by SWalt

How does it work? According to Gods Will silly.

Originally posted by mattymatt

So basically, it doesn't matter if you pray or not, whatever happens is Gods will.

Originally posted by SWalt

Nope.......no predestination in my book, you have complete free will. It just means your prayers have to be in accordance with Gods Will to be answered. Why would He grant anything not in accordance to His will??

God's Will prevails no matter what. If you pray earnestly to God, his will prevails. If you never pray, his will prevails.

I see the scripture quoted above Matthew 6:6-14, commanding that we pray the Lord's Prayer. Why pray in any manner other than that commanded?

**SWalt** · 10-07-2014, 5:34 PM

Originally posted by CaliforniaLiberal

God's Will prevails no matter what. If you pray earnestly to God, his will prevails. If you never pray, his will prevails.

I see the scripture quoted above Matthew 6:6-14, commanding that we pray the Lord's Prayer. Why pray in any manner other than that commanded?

Or is it "in this way"? Another way to put it is "in this manner". How is saying the Lords Prayer over and over not repetition?

**Lineman101** · 10-07-2014, 5:51 PM

Originally posted by CaliforniaLiberal

God's Will prevails no matter what. If you pray earnestly to God, his will prevails. If you never pray, his will prevails.

I see the scripture quoted above Matthew 6:6-14, commanding that we pray the Lord's Prayer. Why pray in any manner other than that commanded?

**Lineman101** · 10-07-2014, 5:54 PM

Originally posted by mossy

never got any sign my life was worth living or felt the presence of a loving god.

And all of this got here by accident? When I look around, I see beauty and order. Creation is evidence that something greater than us must exist.

**spectre-9** · 10-07-2014, 5:55 PM

OP, you know what your problem is? You're asking too many questions. It's easy to understand prayer.

Prayer is just talking to God. Forget about omnipotence and omniscience and all those big words. Don't think too much. We are but humble ~~slaves~~ servants who couldn't possibly comprehend the mind of our loving, heavenly ~~master~~ Father.

Praying is just like having a conversation with a friend. Except that you can't see your friend or hear him. You just have to have faith that he's there, and don't even think about going down the whole, "How do I know He's there" path, that's just the Devil trying to trick you.

One other thing about prayer. You don't tell Him what you want. He doesn't care what you want. You ask Him what He wants, and then just do whatever He tells you to do.

Bottom line is, if something good happens, you give God all the credit. If something bad happens, you take all the blame. Simple.

**SWalt** · 10-07-2014, 5:57 PM

Originally posted by Lineman101

As others have pointed out, we can have a personal relationship with God. The Scripture is the way God communicates to us. It reveals His purpose, His will, His plan. It is by mining His word that we discover more of His richness. We communicate to God by prayer.

It is because of Jesus that we can have relationship with God. He bridged the gap between man and God by His cross.

As you read the Scripture with a receiving heart, God will certainly speak to you. I guarantee it.

Well said.

**Lineman101** · 10-07-2014, 6:07 PM

Originally posted by spectre-9

OP, you know what your problem is? You're asking too many questions. It's easy to understand prayer.

Prayer is just talking to God. Forget about omnipotence and omniscience and all those big words. Don't think too much. We are but humble ~~slaves~~ servants who couldn't possibly comprehend the mind of our loving, heavenly ~~master~~ Father.

Praying is just like having a conversation with a friend. Except that you can't see your friend or hear him. You just have to have faith that he's there, and don't even think about going down the whole, "How do I know He's there" path, that's just the Devil trying to trick you.

One other thing about prayer. You don't tell Him what you want. He doesn't care what you want. You ask Him what He wants, and then just do whatever He tells you to do.

Bottom line is, if something good happens, you give God all the credit. If something bad happens, you take all the blame. Simple.

God has provided a way for mankind, including you, to know Him. He hasn't forced Himself on you. While He desires for you to have relationship, He doesn't force it. We believe as Christians that all things work for our good. Nothing happens to us without it passing through Him; good or bad.

You have the choice to reject. Good luck with that decision.

**caliberetta** · 10-07-2014, 6:08 PM

Everybody gets what's coming. You only need to pray for good luck, and maybe in silence, and away from all the noise in your life, you might hear his guidance.

**Lineman101** · 10-07-2014, 6:14 PM

Originally posted by caliberetta

Everybody gets what's coming. You only need to pray for good luck, and maybe in silence, and away from all the noise in your life, you might hear his guidance.

**caliberetta** · 10-07-2014, 6:26 PM

"what's coming" = a chain of events. Nothing can stop those. You can start one though.

**mossy** · 10-07-2014, 6:47 PM

Originally posted by Lineman101

And all of this got here by accident? When I look around, I see beauty and order. Creation is evidence that something greater than us must exist.

this is not a thread about creation, we were talking about prayer. and for the record when i was a praying man, absolutely nothing looked beautiful to me. the world was dark and tilted.

**SWalt** · 10-07-2014, 6:57 PM

Originally posted by mossy

this is not a thread about creation, we were talking about prayer. and for the record when i was a praying man, absolutely nothing looked beautiful to me. the world was dark and tilted.

The world is always dark and tilted. If not at your present location somewhere else. I did notice you used past tense. The assumption would be the world righted itself.

**mossy** · 10-07-2014, 7:07 PM

Originally posted by SWalt

The world is always dark and tilted. If not at your present location somewhere else. I did notice you used past tense. The assumption would be the world righted itself.

all is good with my world now. precepts, sobriety and the 4 noble truths brightened everything up. and by tilted i meant nothing seemed right. its hard to explain, but you always have a feeling things are wrong, out of place or does not fit.

**ziconceo** · 10-07-2014, 8:48 PM

God just wants you on your knees bro, don't fall for it!
I'd rather die fighting my struggles on my own than living on my knees!

Lol <------------(inserted so mods don't see this as an anti Christian comment and ban me!)

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