Rapture believers- pre/mid/post, and why?

[Lineman101]

Just to clarify, 1 revolution around the sun = 1 complete year. And if anything, the process has slowed and not increased in speed. For a "year" to be 360 days means the earth revolution has increased. If anything, the earth should have slowed down in revolution. The Hebrews seem to have know this and used cosmic signs as a marker for the times. Anyway, to make sure the calendar was correct, they would have to add the extra month occasionally since the beginning. I stongly feel that the Hebrews would have used their own calendars for any event. It seems that a Hebrew studying Egyptian or any other culture, during the captivity, would have been shocking to ones fellow Hebrews.
Just what I'm thinking.

[Sailormilan2]

With all the hoopla about the so called Good Moons, I found out something interesting the other day. Gen. 1:14 should actually say, "and let them be for SIGNALS(omens, warnings), and for APPOINTED TIME(sacred season, set feast)" rather than "signs" and "seasons".

[Not a Cook]

Just to clarify, 1 revolution around the sun = 1 complete year. And if anything, the process has slowed and not increased in speed. For a "year" to be 360 days means the earth revolution has increased. If anything, the earth should have slowed down in revolution. The Hebrews seem to have know this and used cosmic signs as a marker for the times. Anyway, to make sure the calendar was correct, they would have to add the extra month occasionally since the beginning. I stongly feel that the Hebrews would have used their own calendars for any event. It seems that a Hebrew studying Egyptian or any other culture, during the captivity, would have been shocking to ones fellow Hebrews.
Just what I'm thinking.

The Hebrews did use a 360-day calendar. To an ancient Hebrew, a year was a 360-day period. It is well-documented that the modern Jewish calendar has been modified from that original 360-day calendar (both in B.C. and A.D. times).

Some interesting reading can be had at http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/passove...ar-hebrew.html and http://www.yaiy.org/literature/bibli...hcalendar.html. In brief: a lot of things are disputed, but what isn't disputed is that the current Jewish calendar is NOT the ancient Hebrew calendar. The ancient Hebrew calendar was a 360-day calendar, as were virtually all the calendars of ancient civilizations. Why? I (and many scholars) propose that it's because that's how long a year originally was. Unfortunately, I can't absolutely prove it, but there is much suggesting that is the case. And, for whatever reason, during the Babylonian captivity the Jews DID study other cultures, especially that of Babylon. Modern Judaism teaches that the names of the months in the modern Jewish calendar come from Babylon (ref. this quote, "The names of the months of the Jewish calendar were adopted during the time of Ezra, after the return from the Babylonian exile. The names are actually Babylonian month names, brought back to Israel by the returning exiles. Note that most of the Bible refers to months by number, not by name" from http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm). If I recall correctly, the Babylonian month names are actually Akkadian in origin. So, "yes", it did happen.

The bottom line for the topic at hand is that the original calendar was a 360-day calendar, and that is what is used in the Scriptures. Note that the 360-day calendar even appears to be used in Genesis and Revelation, as well as Daniel (ref. http://www.harvardhouse.com/propheti...rev_11v2-3.htm)

With all the hoopla about the so called Good Moons, I found out something interesting the other day. Gen. 1:14 should actually say, "and let them be for SIGNALS(omens, warnings), and for APPOINTED TIME(sacred season, set feast)" rather than "signs" and "seasons".

Sailormilan2 - good catch! Could there be something to this "Blood Moon" concept that's become popular? I don't know; I haven't read the "Blood Moon" books and I honestly don't know what they say.

[Lineman101]

Maybe there is a Jewish Calguns Addict that would enlighten us if Adar Bet is added occasionally to complete the year? Otherwise, how would one account for the missing days, since the times are based on cosmic phenomena? Genesis communicates:

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

[Lineman101]

With all the hoopla about the so called Good Moons, I found out something interesting the other day. Gen. 1:14 should actually say, "and let them be for SIGNALS(omens, warnings), and for APPOINTED TIME(sacred season, set feast)" rather than "signs" and "seasons".

interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, 14 for these nations, which you are about to dispossess, listen to fortune-tellers and to diviners. But as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do this.

[Kokopelli]

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea."

Luke 21:25

[Not a Cook]

signs to mark sacred times, and days and years

That's a good idea... although it would have to be a Jewish Calguns Addict that is familiar with the ancient Hebrew calendar in use during Daniel's time (not only pre-Hillel II changes in 358/359 A.D., and pre-Sanhedrin changes during the 2nd Temple age, but also pre-Babylonian exile changes). I am not aware of any modern Jewish sect or Jewish scholars that make use of the ancient Hebrew calendar. If I recall correctly, I believe most (if not all) Jewish sects today use the Hillel II calendar or a derivative from it.

Alternatively, we could look to the Bible itself for internal evidence as to how long a year is, prophetically/biblically-speaking. Let us consider the following:

Passage A) Revelation 12 - see below explanation (note: a time, times, and half a time is 3.5 years)
1,260 days (of Revelation 12:6) = 3.5 years (of Revelation 12:14)
1,260 days/3.5 years = 360 days/year
NOTE: 3.5 years does NOT equal 1,260 days on any modern calendar (even the modern Jewish calendar)

Passage B) Revelation 11:2-4 - see below explanation (granted: I make an assumption that the time that the Gentiles tread the holy city underfoot is equal to the time that the two witnesses prophesy, and although I don't like making assumptions, this is virtually a universal assumption by biblical scholars)
42 months = 1,260 days
NOTE: 42 months does NOT equal 1,260 days on any modern calendar (even the modern Jewish calendar)
1,260 days / 42 months = 30-day months
There are twelve months in the Hebrew calendar, and if each is a 30-day month as seen here, then 12 months X 30 days/month = 360-day year.

Passage C) Genesis 7 - see below
150 days (Genesis 8:3) from when the Flood began on the 17th day of the 2nd month (Genesis 7:11) until it rested on the 17th day of the 7th month. This equals 5 months (from the 17th day of the 2nd month until the 17th day of the 7th month) and equals 150 days.
150 days / 5 months = 30-day months
NOTE: 5 months does NOT equal 150 days on any modern calendar (even the modern Jewish calendar)
There are twelve months in the Hebrew calendar, and if each is a 30-day month as seen here, then 12 months X 30 days/month = 360-day year.

Based on one of your previous comments, you may also find this explanation interesting (copied from http://www.truebiblecode.com/understanding90.html),
"When was the year 360 days long?

In order for the year to be 360 days long the day has to be longer than it is now in the ratio 365.2421897/360 = 1.01456164:1 = 1.456164% larger. In other words rather than being 24 hours long it would be around 24.35 hours long. How could this have been the case? Well when an ice skater spreads her arms out she rotates more slowly and when she draws them in she rotates more quickly. If the earth spread out a bit and got fatter at the equator and flatter from pole to pole (as if someone was treading on a basketball) then it would rotate more slowly and so the day would last longer. But the earth is actually fat at the equator and squashed at the pole due to centrifugal force and the liquid nature of the earth under its crust. So if the planet were hotter then it would be more liquid and so the centrifugal force arising from its rotation would cause it to expand and be fatter at the equator. Now before the flood this was the case. The flood dumped a load of water from the atmosphere onto the crust of the earth which would have cooled the earth down and therefore stiffened it up and reduced the bulging effect of centrifugal force. So we propose that prior to the flood the circumference of the earth was larger than it is today...

"This all works because the circumference of the earth is linearly related to the period of its rotation around its axis for small variations from the present 24 hour day period in order that angular momentum is preserved. For if we keep the velocity of its surface the same then for small variations in day length we preserve angular momentum which is the integral of mass x velocity for each particle of the planet. So to increase the day by 1.456164% we increase the circumference of the earth by the same amount.

So we propose that the flood waters cooled the surface of the planet down by such an amount that it stiffened up to such an extent that the centrifugal force of its own rotation caused it to bulge by 1.45% less. Hence it span 1.45% faster. Hence the days became 1.45% shorter. Hence the year contained 1.45% more days. It increased from 360 days to the present 365.2421897."

If the above explanation is correct (this is the most succinct explanation of this theory that I recall ever reading), then the length of a year changed as a result of the flood, and this would explain why different ancient cultures (e.g. the Chinese, Babylonian, Hebrews, Romans, etc.) all changed from a 360-day calendar to a different calendar, but all did so at different times after the changes in the orbit of the earth and moon became apparent as more time passed following the Flood.

Okay gentlemen... I'll "lay off" the calendar stuff for now. All this was to say that the 69 "sevens" (or 483 years or 173,880 days) which elapsed from the time of Artaxerxes' decree to rebuild Jerusalem (including its wall) until the day that Christ entered Jerusalem as "Messiah the Prince" (ref. Daniel 9:25 and His entry on Palm Sunday) is pretty amazing, and appears to be quite an amazing fulfillment of Daniel 9:25.